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tvellalott
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I will not contradict myself

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Started: 7/15/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Voting Period
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mongeese

Pro

Contradiction: http://en.wikipedia.org...

Rules:
1. In Rounds 1-3, CON will ask PRO ten Yes/No questions.
2. In Rounds 2-4, PRO will answer all of CON's questions with Yes, No, or an explanation as to why neither answer would be completely correct.
3. In Rounds 2-4, CON can point out any contradictions that he or she believes to be present in PRO's answers, citing all questions and answers involved in the contradiction.
4. When CON points out a contradiction, PRO may use all of the following rounds to defend the accused contradiction until either CON drops the accusation or PRO admits defeat, or when the debate is over.
5. If PRO is never found to have contradicted himself in this debate, PRO wins.
6. If PRO is ever found to have contradicted himself in this debate, PRO loses.
7. Because sources are largely irrelevant, and can really only be used by CON most of the time, the two points associated with sources will be given to the victor of the debate.
8. A contradiction may only be pointed out if both parts of the contradiction are brought up in this debate.
9. For any questions involved in a contradiction, PRO may define any words in the question or the answer using the online Merriam-Webster dictionary at his own discretion, unless the words were already defined by CON when the question was asked.
http://www.merriam-webster.com...
10. If PRO ever fails to abide by any rule, PRO automatically loses.
11. If CON ever fails to abide by any rule, CON automatically loses.
12. Before posting his or her Round 2 argument, CON must challenge PRO to a debate that is an exact copy of this debate, except that Rule 12 must be absent.

Good luck.
tvellalott

Con

Ok here goes:

1.7) If you answer question 1.1 with a NO, will you answer 1.3 with YES?
1.1) If you answer question 1.6 with YES, will you have to change the answer to question 1.4?
1.9) Is this cheating?
1.4) Did you answer question 1.6 with a Yes?
1.2) Does the wood chuck chuck wood?
1.5) Are you getting confused?
1.8) ?dnatsrednu uoy oD
1.3) Did you know that the answer to question 1.2 will affect the answer to question 1.6?
1.10) Do you like pineapple on pizza?
1.6) If you answer question 1.10 with a NO, does that conflict with answering YES to question 1.8?
Debate Round No. 1
mongeese

Pro

"1.7) If you answer question 1.1 with a NO, will you answer 1.3 with YES?"
I haven't read those questions yet, so honestly, I have no idea.

"1.1) If you answer question 1.6 with YES, will you have to change the answer to question 1.4?"
No.

"1.9) Is this cheating?"
No.

"1.4) Did you answer question 1.6 with a Yes?"
No.

"1.2) Does the wood chuck chuck wood?"
I don't know. I'm not aware of the wood chuck.

"1.5) Are you getting confused?"
Yes.

"1.8) ?dnatsrednu uoy oD"
.seY

"1.3) Did you know that the answer to question 1.2 will affect the answer to question 1.6?"
No, I did not know that.

"1.10) Do you like pineapple on pizza?"
No.

"1.6) If you answer question 1.10 with a NO, does that conflict with answering YES to question 1.8?"
No.
tvellalott

Con

I tried very hard to confuse my opponent, and he did very well...
HOWEVER, rule number two clearly states: "In Rounds 2-4, PRO will answer all of CON's questions with Yes, No, or an explanation as to why neither answer would be completely correct." yet, he answered 1.8 with ".seY", which is not "Yes" or "No" and is definately not an explanation. To ensure that this wasn't cheating, I asked in question 1.9 if this was cheating, and he answered "No."

Here are the next round of questions...
2.1) Vous aimez le fromage?
2.2) Don't you dislike not having pizza without pineapple?
2.3) Are you sure this isn't cheating? >:)
2.4) Did you understand what happened at the end of the third Matrix movie?
2.5) Do you wish someone else has accepted this challenge?
2.6) ti odio formaggio?
2.7) Does this count as a question?
2.8) In question 1.7, did you answer no?
2.9) Do you find me attractive?
2.10) In question 1.7, didn't you answer no?
Debate Round No. 2
mongeese

Pro

2.1) I am unsure what language the question is in, and therefore, I cannot answer it adequately.

2.2) Yes.

2.3) Yes.

2.4) No.

2.5) No.

2.6) I am unsure what language the question is in, and therefore, I cannot answer it adequately.

2.7) Yes.

2.8) No.

2.9) No.

2.10) Yes.
tvellalott

Con

My french "Do you love cheese" and spanish "Do you hate cheese" thing didn't work, but....
"1.7) If you answer question 1.1 with a NO, will you answer 1.3 with YES?"
I haven't read those questions yet, so honestly, I have no idea.
Q:2.8) In question 1.7, did you answer no?
Q:2.10) In question 1.7, didn't you answer no?
A:2.10) Yes.
That's about all I've got to go on... That isn't really a yes or a no answer. Anywho..
(Even I can't work out what the right answer to 2.2 is :P)
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3.1) Have you read the Twilight books?
3.2) Have you watched "The Road"?
3.3) Do you like long walks on the beach?
3.4) Do you like lions better than tigers?
3.5) If it tastes like chicken should you keep on lickin'?
3.6) If I jump forward three times, do a side wheels cartwheel then moonwalk for 8 seconds, will people think I'm crazy?
3.7) Will you accept my apologies for not coming up with some better questions?
3.8) If you had read the Twlight books, would you lie about it?
3.9) Would you lie about lying?
3.10) A man is hanging from a rope in the middle of a room, with nothing but a puddle on the floor. Is it possible he died from natural causes?
Debate Round No. 3
mongeese

Pro

I'm unsure what contradiction my opponent is trying to point out, if anything. May I ask for a bit of a clarification as to how my answers contradict each other?

"3.1) Have you read the Twilight books?"
No.

"3.2) Have you watched 'The Road'?"

"3.3) Do you like long walks on the beach?"
That would depend on the beach, the weather, the length of the walk, etc.

"3.4) Do you like lions better than tigers?"
Yes.

"3.5) If it tastes like chicken should you keep on lickin'?"
Whether or not you should keep on lickin' is irrelevant to whether or not it tastes like chicken in most instances that I can think of. A specific scenario is necessary for a better answer.

"3.6) If I jump forward three times, do a side wheels cartwheel then moonwalk for 8 seconds, will people think I'm crazy?"
I don't know. I can't predict the reactions of other people with 100% certainty.

"3.7) Will you accept my apologies for not coming up with some better questions?"
Yes.

"3.8) If you had read the Twlight books, would you lie about it?"
No.

"3.9) Would you lie about lying?"
No.

"3.10) A man is hanging from a rope in the middle of a room, with nothing but a puddle on the floor. Is it possible he died from natural causes?"
Yes.
tvellalott

Con

"I'm unsure what contradiction my opponent is trying to point out, if anything. May I ask for a bit of a clarification as to how my answers contradict each other?"

"1.7) If you answer question 1.1 with a NO, will you answer 1.3 with YES?"
I haven't read those questions yet, so honestly, I have no idea.
Q:2.8) In question 1.7, did you answer no?
A:2.8) No.
Q:2.10) In question 1.7, didn't you answer no?
A:2.10) Yes
Sorry, I forgot the A:2.8 bit.

First of all, both of these answers are wrong(because you answered neither yes nor no), which I suppose doesn't really matter. However, both 2.8 and 2.10 are the same question, yet you've answered differently. Let me put them into context...
Did you eat my cake? No. I didn't eat it.
Didn't you eat my cake? Yes. I ate it.

For you to have not contradicted yourself, you would have had to meant...
Did you eat my cake? No. I didn't eat it.
Didn't you eat my cake? Yes. I didn't eat it.

Also, you haven't refuted that you contradicted your own rules in round two...
' Rule number two clearly states: "In Rounds 2-4, PRO will answer all of CON's questions with Yes, No, or an explanation as to why neither answer would be completely correct." yet, he answered 1.8 with ".seY", which is not "Yes" or "No" and is definately not an explanation. To ensure that this wasn't cheating, I asked in question 1.9 if this was cheating, and he answered "No." '
Debate Round No. 4
mongeese

Pro

"First of all, both of these answers are wrong(because you answered neither yes nor no)..."
False. I answered neither yes nor no, so it is correct to say that I didn't answer no. Not answering no is not the same thing as answering yes.

As for the "contradictory" answers, I didn't answer no, so "Didn't you answer no?" would be "Yes," and "Did you answer no?" would be "No." It's simple as that. Adding "not" to a question naturally requires that the answer be negated, turning the "No" into "Yes." The typical treatment of both questions as the same is an illogical social custom that I choose not to follow, but I am not required to follow it, so there isn't a contradiction.

Finally, my opponent criticizes my use of "seY" instead of "Yes." However, while he was supposed to ask a Yes/No question, he asked "?dnatsrednu uoy oD". This can only be considered a Yes/No question if the backwards style of writing is considered acceptable. Rule 2 requires answers to be Yes, No, or an explanation, but note the lack of quotation marks. I need not literally say "Yes" or "No," but a sufficient variant of them. In response to a backwards question, "seY" would sufficiently substitute Yes.

In conclusion, I have not contradicted myself at all. Thank you, tvellalott, for this debate, and to the voters for reading this debate.
tvellalott

Con

I have nothing further to add.
I suppose I didn't realise until too late that "I will not contradict myself" and "I cannot be tricked" are not the same thing.
Thank you to my opponent.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
damn it.
I noticed that too and didn't think anything of it.

E-P-I-C FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIL!
Posted by mongeese 6 years ago
mongeese
Oh, woah, you're right. I skipped a question. Whoops.
Posted by RoyLatham 6 years ago
RoyLatham
What a waste of time! Of course, I took the time to read it, which is even worse.

Pro did not answer question 3.2. Had Con pointed this out, he would have won.

As it is, it goes to Pro.
Posted by tvellalott 6 years ago
tvellalott
This sounds awesome. Good luck Mongeese!
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