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ToastOfDestiny
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TheSixCents
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I will not contradict myself

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Started: 7/8/2009 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ToastOfDestiny

Pro

Guess I'll try one of these too! If you're seasoned in these kind of debates, I ask that you wait at least 3 days until accepting - I'd like to debate with another novice.

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Rules:
1. In Rounds 1-3, CON will ask PRO ten Yes/No questions.
2. In Rounds 2-4, PRO will answer all of CON's questions with Yes, No, or an explanation as to why neither answer would be completely correct.
3. In Rounds 2-4, CON can point out any contradictions that he or she believes to be present in PRO's answers.
4. When CON points out a contradiction, PRO may use all of the following rounds to defend the accused contradiction until either CON drops the accusation or PRO admits defeat, or when the debate is over.
5. If CON ever fails to ask PRO exactly ten Yes/No questions when necessary, CON automatically loses.
6. If PRO ever fails to answer every question asked in the previous round by the rules, PRO automatically loses.
7. If PRO is never found to have contradicted himself in this debate, PRO wins.
8. If PRO is ever found to have contradicted himself in this debate, PRO loses.
9. Because sources are largely irrelevant, and can really only be used by CON most of the time, the two points associated with sources will be given to the victor of the debate.
TheSixCents

Con

1.) Does everyone have the right to clean conditions and basic needs (Nourishment, ect.)?
2.) Is it morally wrong if a rich man lives elaborately while a poor man dies?
3.) Does that rich man has the responsibility to improve the life of the poor man, even if it comes as an expense to him?
4.) Does a human life have intrinsic value? (Does it have worth to society)?
5.) Is it morally wrong to force ones morals on others?
6.) Are their morally superior nations or religions?
7.) Is killing ever justified of innocent Civilians, collateral or otherwise?
8.) Should those who kill innocent civilians be punished for murder/manslaughter?
9.) Are people born with Criminal intentions/behaviors?
10.) Is the death penalty sometimes justified?
Debate Round No. 1
ToastOfDestiny

Pro

These are some heavy questions, and I can't express my answers to all of them with single words.

1.) Does everyone have the right to clean conditions and basic needs (Nourishment, ect.)?
Yes.

2.) Is it morally wrong if a rich man lives elaborately while a poor man dies?
No, so long as the rich man became rich morally.

3.) Does that rich man has the responsibility to improve the life of the poor man, even if it comes as an expense to him?
Yes, the rich man ought to help some poor people, even at his own expense.

4.) Does a human life have intrinsic value? (Does it have worth to society)?
Yes.

5.) Is it morally wrong to force ones morals on others?
Yes, unless many lives would be saved or vastly improved, or forcing morals overrides another forcing of morals (overthrowing a dictator who forces his morals on his subjects).

6.) Are their morally superior nations or religions?
In my view, a religion itself is not moral or immoral, its followers are. There are nations that act more morally than others.

7.) Is killing ever justified of innocent Civilians, collateral or otherwise?
Yes, in some cases.

8.) Should those who kill innocent civilians be punished for murder/manslaughter?
Yes, except in a few cases. Soldiers ought not to be charged, for example. Leaders should only be charged if the killing is not justified.

9.) Are people born with Criminal intentions/behaviors?
People can be born aggressive or unreasonable, but not necessarily criminal until they enter society and society defines crime.

10.) Is the death penalty sometimes justified?
Yes, but only in rare cases.
TheSixCents

Con

TheSixCents forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
ToastOfDestiny

Pro

It seems Con has forfeited the last round - so by the rules, I win. However, he wasn't pleased with my answers. I have made then much broader, so we can pick up again in Round 4 with 10 more questions. Keep in mind, though, that most of my answers were yeses or noes, just in sentence form.

1.) Does everyone have the right to clean conditions and basic needs (Nourishment, ect.)?
Yes.

2.) Is it morally wrong if a rich man lives elaborately while a poor man dies?
No, so long as the rich man became rich morally.
>No.

3.) Does that rich man has the responsibility to improve the life of the poor man, even if it comes as an expense to him?
Yes, the rich man ought to help some poor people, even at his own expense.
>Yes.

4.) Does a human life have intrinsic value? (Does it have worth to society)?
Yes.

5.) Is it morally wrong to force ones morals on others?
Yes, unless many lives would be saved or vastly improved, or forcing morals overrides another forcing of morals (overthrowing a dictator who forces his morals on his subjects).
>Yes, unless it helps many people.

6.) Are their morally superior nations or religions?
In my view, a religion itself is not moral or immoral, its followers are. There are nations that act more morally than others.
>Yes.

7.) Is killing ever justified of innocent Civilians, collateral or otherwise?
Yes, in some cases.
>Yes.

8.) Should those who kill innocent civilians be punished for murder/manslaughter?
Yes, except in a few cases. Soldiers ought not to be charged, for example. Leaders should only be charged if the killing is not justified.
>Yes, except in extenuating circumstances.

9.) Are people born with Criminal intentions/behaviors?
People can be born aggressive or unreasonable, but not necessarily criminal until they enter society and society defines crime.
>People can't be born with *criminal* intentions.

10.) Is the death penalty sometimes justified?
Yes, but only in rare cases.
>Yes.
TheSixCents

Con

TheSixCents forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
ToastOfDestiny

Pro

My opponent has forfeited for the second time.

Vote Pro!
TheSixCents

Con

TheSixCents forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
ToastOfDestiny

Pro

Vote Pro!
TheSixCents

Con

TheSixCents forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
Legit +7 to me.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
8.) Should those who kill innocent civilians be punished for murder/manslaughter?
Yes, except in a few cases. Soldiers ought not to be charged, for example. Leaders should only be charged if the killing is not justified.
>Yes.
>>Yes, except in extenuating circumstances.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
If you'd like, I can qualify my answers to make them more open to contradiction.

1.) Does everyone have the right to clean conditions and basic needs (Nourishment, ect.)?
Yes.

2.) Is it morally wrong if a rich man lives elaborately while a poor man dies?
No, so long as the rich man became rich morally.
>No.

3.) Does that rich man has the responsibility to improve the life of the poor man, even if it comes as an expense to him?
Yes, the rich man ought to help some poor people, even at his own expense.
>Yes.

4.) Does a human life have intrinsic value? (Does it have worth to society)?
Yes.

5.) Is it morally wrong to force ones morals on others?
Yes, unless many lives would be saved or vastly improved, or forcing morals overrides another forcing of morals (overthrowing a dictator who forces his morals on his subjects).
>Yes, unless it helps many people.

6.) Are their morally superior nations or religions?
In my view, a religion itself is not moral or immoral, its followers are. There are nations that act more morally than others.
>Yes.

7.) Is killing ever justified of innocent Civilians, collateral or otherwise?
Yes, in some cases.
>Yes.

8.) Should those who kill innocent civilians be punished for murder/manslaughter?
Yes, except in a few cases. Soldiers ought not to be charged, for example. Leaders should only be charged if the killing is not justified.
>Yes.

9.) Are people born with Criminal intentions/behaviors?
People can be born aggressive or unreasonable, but not necessarily criminal until they enter society and society defines crime.
>People can't be born with *criminal* intentions.

10.) Is the death penalty sometimes justified?
Yes, but only in rare cases.
>Yes.

If I abbreviate any more, I wouldn't be giving you my views.
Posted by TheSixCents 7 years ago
TheSixCents
Leaving room open to not contradict oneself, by saying "sometimes" makes it impossible to contradict yourself.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
?

People are born with basic rights.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
"Does everyone have the right to clean conditions and basic needs (Nourishment, ect.)?
Yes."

Say what?
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
That's because my beliefs cannot be summed up with simple yeses or noes. If I were to answer with simple yeses or noes, I would be simplifying my beliefs and omitting information, sort of like rounding 5.5 up to 6.
Posted by TheSixCents 7 years ago
TheSixCents
You keep saying usually. You are taking both sides, and it is now impossible for you to be contradicted.
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
"Are their morally superior nations or religions?"

There/their/they're fail.
Posted by ToastOfDestiny 7 years ago
ToastOfDestiny
If you really want to accept, challenge me to this debate when I'm in round 4.
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