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ISIS has been founded by America and Israel. They just want to deceive people. They want to stop Islamic Awakening and replace it with Islamiphobia.

Zio-American imperialist and their allies including Turkey and Saudi Arabia made way for ISIS to occupy vast areas of Iraq and Syria and the mass murder of their people.

These video can show you that ISIS has been founded by ISIS. Obama himself says that he trains them and the governers of America admits that they arm those terrorists.

In this email, I jusr want to prove that ISIS are not representing Islam.

- Terrorism Has No Religion

Unfortunately, many people in the West hold that Islam is a terrorist religion and hence the term Islam sounds obnoxious to them. Such a false belief is one of the main barriers between the people of Western scocities and real Islam. But is Islam really the religion of violence and terrorism?

Islam prohibits terrorism, unlawful acquisition of property of others, and causing harm to innocent human beings. Islam rejects all forms of violence. The terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001 was condemned by Muslims around the world. In fact, those who perished included many Muslims.

Terrorists have no religion. They kill indiscriminately. They use the name of religion to justify their atrocities, and thus bring a bad name to the religion. Just as the Crusades when Christians committed horrible things in the name of Christ.

Many of non-Muslims, knowingly or unknowingly, claim that the Noble Qur'an orders Muslims to kill disbelievers, infidels and those who refuse to embrace Islam. This false belief, which is spread by the media, is just one of the misconceptions to conceal the truth about Islam.

Here, I briefly discuss on the viewpoint of the Qur'an regarding murdering.

1. As we see in Iraq and Syria, the terrorists of ISIS kill the innocent people who do not convert to Islam. And non-Muslims think that the Qur'an orders the terrorists to do so. But let's see what the Qur'an has to say:

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion." (The Qur'an 2:256)

According to the above verse, no one is allowed to force others to embrace Islam. And no one (apart from the prophet and his true successors) is allowed to kill those who do not accept Islam. And if forcing someone to embrace Islam was fair and just, Allah would have more right to force them.

"And if Allah willed, He could have made them [of] one religion, but He admits whom He wills into His mercy. And the wrongdoers have not any protector or helper." (the Qur'an 42:8)

"Then have those who believed not accepted that had Allah willed, He would have guided the people, all of them?" (the Qur'an 13:31)

So we understand thet Allah, the Exalted, wants people to submit (in Islam) to Him willingly. No one should be forced to believe. Therefore, those terrorists who kill people for not accepting religion are not practising the teachings of Islam.

2. There is another misconception that Islam supports terrorism. For proving this misconception, the enemies of Islam mention the Qur'anic verses about Jihad and killing the disbelievers. But they never read the Qur'an directly. They never think about the verses to understand their true meanings. That's why Allah sent down this Holy Book:

"Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought." (the Qur'an 2:219)

Allah wants us to think about the Qur'an. But some people read it blindly and misunderstsnd Islam:

"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an, or are there locks upon [their] hearts?" (47:24)

As I mentioned earlier, it is believed that the Qur'an orders Muslims to kill infidels. But if we read those verses and think carefully, we will realize that the Holy Qur'an only orders Muslims to kill those who have killed or harmed them. This is called Jihad (holy war) not what ISIS are doing...

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you." (The Qur'an 2:190-191)

After Muhammad (pbuh) was appointed as the Last Messenger of Allah and preached Islam, the polytheists and disbelievers of Mecca started torturing him and those who was embracing Islam. The Prophet (pbuh) was patient even though they made great accusations against him of being a magician, being mad, being a poet or being a liar.

"And they say, 'O you upon whom the message has been sent down, indeed you are mad." (the Qur'an 15:6)

Then Allah revealed the following verse:

"And We already know that your breast is constrained by what they say. So exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord and be of those who prostrate [to Him]." (the Qur'an 15:97-98)

Then they rejected the Prophet (pbuh) and he got sad. Thus Allah revealed this verse:

" We know that you, [O Muhammad], are saddened by what they say. And indeed, they do not call you untruthful, but it is the verses of Allah that the wrongdoers reject. And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah. And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers." (the Qur'an 6:33-34)

The polytheists kept torturing the Muslims. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his followers stayed patient and tolerated torture. But Allah who wanted to protect His servants ordered Muslims to defend themselves and kill the polytheists:

"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." (the Qur'an 9:5)

And Allah tells us why the polytheists must be killed:

"They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors." (the Qur'an 9:10)

"Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers." (the Qur'an 9:13)

According to the above verse, polytheists were the first to attack upon the Muslims. So Muslims killed them to defend themselves. But if the polytheists repent, Allah forgives them:

" And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know." (the Qur'an 9:6)

"But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know." (the Qur'an 9:11)

3. On the other hand, Allah has prohibited killing an innocent person for no reason.

The Qur"an says about the prohibition of murder,

" And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason." (the Qur'an 6:151)

" And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law]." (17:33)

" And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,... And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty." (25:61 , 25-68)

In above verses, The Almighty Allah clearly forbids murdering. And He will punish those who kill the innocent people for no reason.

According to the Qur"an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity.

" Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely." (5:32)

But as we see in Iraq and Syria, the terrorists of ISIS are killing innocent people. And it is against the teachings of the Qur'an. So it is obvious that they do not represent Islam. They just attack on Islam in the name of Islam to deceive people and show them the "ISraeli ISlam."


ISIS is inherently Islamic.

The stated mission goal of ISIS, as they voiced publicly back in June, is to establish a new Islamic caliphate across the Middle East (1). Now they get this authority from the sacred texts of Islam the Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with unbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding (2).

Now my opponent says " Islam rejects all forms of violence" this is a flat out lie as I have just shown chopping of the heads and fingers and killing infidels is most certainly violent.

With all the quotes from the holy book my opponent has given I could list just as many (even more) that self refute and contradict. My opponent has fallen into the common trap of cherry picking the 'good' verses and saying this is Islam, I'm sorry but that won't do.
Similarly and reflective of this is my opponents implementing what's known as the 'scotsmans fallacy' (3) she claims to be the final authority on what the world should view as Islamic and what is not. Now I'm sure if you asked members of ISIS who the 'true' muslims where they would say only those who are committed to their cause and everyone else is 'pretenders'.

Islam is inherently violent this can be proven as we see time and time again the more extreme or fundamental a person becomes in relation to Islam the greater the likelihood of terrorism taking place. Whereas for example Jainism where the more extreme or fundamental a person becomes in relation to that religion the more likely the person is to become 'paralyzed' with fear of moving incase they accidently squash a bug (4).

ISIS follows the most literalist interpretation of the Quran and he hadith they live according to sharia law and as we all know wish to implement this where ever they can this is directly Islamic.

Debate Round No. 1


Do you think the terrorists of ISIS are only killing non-Muslims? Do you think they don't harm Muslims? When the terrorists of ISIS were beheading Muslims like sheep, one one was worried about them, no one talked about those wild terrorists. But as soon as they killed the first Christian, the people from all around the world started hating ISIS and Islam. Do you think who are fighting ISIS in Iraq and Syria? The army of America? No. Most of them are Muslim. So how can people say that ISIS are representing Islam? If it was true, all Muslims would support ISIS. Do you think Muslims are terrorists?

You said about the Quranic verses about Jihad. But can you tell me one of them which orders Muslims to chop heads and kill people bu suicide bomb?
Rether; I just can find this one:

"And do not kill yourselves [or one another]." (Quran 4:29)

I explained why Quran orders Muslims to kill polytheists and disbelievers. My explaination is sufficient to assure others that ISIS are not representing Islam. Besides, those verses have been revealed to Prophet Muhammad who was the leaser of Muslims. All Muslims were allowed to kill those who attacked them only if the Prophet ordered them.

" And"when"a surah was revealed"[enjoining"them] to believe in Allah and"to fight with His"Messenger,"those"of wealth among them asked your permission [to stay" back]"and said,"'Leave"us"to be with them who"sit [at"home].'" (9:86)

Only the true leader of Muslims can order to perform Jihad. But who is Abu Bakr al-Baqdadi? He is a so-called person like Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein who were being supported by America.

You claim Islam is the religion of violence. But if you are right, all religions are teaching violence.

Have you forgotten the bloodshed of the Crusades? Why did the Chriatians killed innocent Muslims? [1]
No one thinks those Christians were representing Christianity, so why all people think ISIS are representing Islam? Just because the Quran orders us to kill those who attack us?

Have you forgotten what Israel did in Gaza and Palestine? Do you know how many innocent children and the people who couldn't defend themselves were killed? [2] [3] [4]
No one thinks Jews Zionism are representing Judaism, so why everyone thinks ISIS are representing Islam?

When America takes one million lives in Iraq for oil, it is not terrorism.
When Serbs rape Muslim women in Kosovo ans Bosnia, it is not terrorism.
When Russians kill 200000 Chechens in bombings, it is not terrorism.
When Jews kick out Palestinians and take their land, it is not terrorism.
When American drones kill entire family in Afghanistan and Pakistan, it is not terrorism.
When Israel kills 10000 Lebanese civilians due to two missing soldiers, it is not terrorism.
When Muslim retaliate and show you how you treat us, is it called terrorism?

Watch this video to see how oppressed Muslims are:

- ISIL/ISIS has nothing to do with Quran
Spending 10 months as captive for the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), French journalist Didier Fran"ois said his captors were usually engaged in political discussions and "didn't even have the Quran".
"There was never really discussion about texts or -- it was not a religious discussion. It was a political discussion," Fran"ois told CNN on Tuesday, February 3.
"They didn't even have the Quran; they didn't want even to give us a Quran."
Francois is one of the few captives who were released by ISIL last April before the militant group"s expansion in Iraq.
Though he did not wish to elaborate on how he was treated by ISIL, he stressed that local Syrians and Iraqis faced most of the torture at the hands of their captors.
"We could see some of them in the corridors when we were taken to the toilets," he said, "and we could see some people lying in their blood."
"You could see the chains hanging, or the ropes hanging, or the iron bars."
For Fran"ois, losing freedom was the worst nightmare he faced during those 10 months.
"Of course we were beaten up. But it was not every day. I mean, it's hard enough -- you don't have to overplay it."
"It's hard enough to lose your freedom. It's hard enough to be in the hands of people who you know are killing hundreds and thousands of local Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Tunisians, can put bombs in our countries."
"It's terrifying enough. The beating is strong, but it's not every day. It happens sometimes."
"If they wanted to wreck you, they could. None of us would have been able to go through if it was beating every day, and torture every day."
Luckily, Francois was released on April 19, 2014, at the Turkish borders where soldiers found them with their hands bound and blindfolded.
He was released just before ISIL made its shocking sweep through Iraq, capturing vast amounts of territory in June 2014. [5]

Have you ever heard about "Islamic Awakening"? During a few years ago, the opinions of people regarding changed immediately. The people from all around the world got interested in Islam and kept converting to it. I can say without any hesitation that it was a huge movement in the Islamic history... But when something (whether good or bad) happens, there are some ones who are displeased with that event and try to change the situation to their benefit...
After a while, the enemies of Islam (i.e. The governers of America, Israel and England) got scared. They just thought about their advantages. They just cared about themselves. And Islam was against what they wanted. The enemies of Islam knew that if people became Muslim, their position would be in danger. So they plotted and founded a fake sect of Muslims which is called... ISIS (they also founded Al-Qaeda, Taliban and Al-Nusrah before that)

"ISIS" is the "ISraeli ISlam". The governers of America, Israel and Enagland are supporting ISIS. It is a kind of ideology. The enemies of Islam have brainwashed the misguided Muslims to believe in some false ideas. For example, they told Muslims, "If you kill people, you will go to heaven.". And we know that everyone desires heaven and the heavenly bounties. So the misguided Muslims (the terrorists of ISIS) started killing innocent people. They didn't think how evil their action was, they just did what they were ordered to... The enemies of Islam train those terrorists when they are children. For example, they show them some horrible videos of killing people. So when those children (i.e terrorists) grow up, they will enjoy killing. And it will become a normal thing for them.

If you search the internet, you can the schools of Jihad founded by America and ISIS where young children are trained how to be terrorists. [6]

The terrorists of ISIS have been trained when they were little children and couldn't distinguish the good from the evil. They were brainwashed to believe in some false ideas. And who brainwashed them? Those people are like the ones who caused the Crusades and the war of Gaza.

Anyway, unfortunately, the governers of America could achieve their goals:

1) They stopped Islamic Awakening from spreading more; now, most non-Muslims hate Islam. They think it is a false religion which is only violance, murdering and etc.

2) They could make division among Muslims and ruin their unity; If you look at the world, you will find most wars are in the Islamic countries now. The Muslims are killing themselves, like the war in Yemen. These wars are caused by America and Israel. But where are the governers of America? They are living in their country in peace, reaping the benefits, while they have made Muslims kill each other...








"Do you think the terrorists of ISIS are only killing non-Muslims?" I know that they kill other muslims but it does not matter as I explained previously ISIS claims that the muslims they kill are not 'true' muslims just as you claim that ISIS are not 'true' muslims. Just as catholics and protestants In ireland killed each other both claiming the enemy were not 'true' christians. It appears again my opponent has fallen into the scotsmans fallacy.

Now I would rather not quote texts from the Quran as I previously explained it is a well known contradictory book, however you did ask me so here a few quick examples.
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Hopefully this debate is not going to come down to who can quote the most references from holy books to support ones side as that would be a waste of time as all quotes will be self refuting and contradictory, as is to expect from a book written in the 7th century by barbaric stone age people.

You also ask for a reference to suicide bombing now because there weren't bombs back in the 7th century the holy texts obviously cannot mention it directly however "To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74" in my view this supports such acts. It outlines Martyrdom and demonstrates how those whom die spreading islam will be rewarded.

"You claim Islam is the religion of violence. But if you are right, all religions are teaching violence." umm... no. I literally just explained straight after how the religion of Jainism is not.

"Have you forgotten the bloodshed of the Crusades... No one thinks those Christians were representing Christianity" I have never heard anyone in my life (until now) claim that the crusades were not representative of christianity, in fact the catholic church has even admitted this and apologise for it (1), on the 12th of March 2000 the 'day of apology. I am as against christanity as I am against Islam (perhaps you should check my other debate out 'christianity is a force for good in the world' at to see for yourself) however at least the church has addmitted and apologised for many of their transgressions unlike the Islamic community which as you are demonstrating denies it has any thing to do with them when it so obviously does.

To your rant on what counts as terrorism, forgive me if I'm mistaken is this debate weather muslim violence means terrorism or ISIS represents Islam?
Also what does the oppression of muslims have to do with whether or not ISIS is representative of Islam.

I also feel obligated how you are purposely misleading the voters with your reference I just read the article on the ISIS training camps and no where does it even imply that these camps as you say "founded by America" this is an outright lie on my opponents behalf and should cast doubt on all other referenced as I do not have the time to check them all.

You seem to have a vendetta against America and feel that they create and train ISIS purposely to discredit Islam, this is no more than a crackpot conspiracy theory and has no credible evidence for, thus that which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

Now how many suicide bombers have to blow themselves up screaming "allahu akbar"for people to understand they mean what they say, how many ISIS videos must be released of them decapitating people saying we are doing gods will for people to realise religion is the problem.

Debate Round No. 2


Well, first of all, I want to give you some evidence which show ISIS has been funded by America.

1. Hillary Clinton admits that U.S funding the terrorist groups and al-Qaeda

And also

2. America has funded and traibs ISIS
"It came out back in 2012 that the U.S., Turkey and Jordan were jointly running a US CIA and Special Forces command training base for Syrian rebels out of the Jordanian town of Safawi, but apparently according the Jordanian officials, that training "wasn"t meant to be used in Iraq"
Syrian rebels who would later join the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, or ISIS, were trained in 2012 by U.S. instructors working at a secret base in Jordan, according to informed Jordanian officials.
The officials said dozens of future ISIS members were trained at the time as part of covert aid to the insurgents targeting the regime of Syrian President Bashar al-Assad in Syria. The officials said the training was not meant to be used for any future campaign in Iraq.

Now we not only have Hagel telling America that ISIS is "beyond anything the Pentagon has ever seen" but in the same week the former deputy director of the CIA is telling CBS This Morning that he fears ISIS is going to start carrying out 9/11-style attacks on American soil, including"this little gem:
"If an ISIS member showed up at a mall in the United States tomorrow with an AK-47 and killed a number of Americans, I would not be surprised."
If anyone is terrorizing America directly right now, it"s the American government that would first fund and train terrorists who are raping people and setting them on fire, crucifying Christians and beheading children, then conspire with the media to scare the American people that the government"s own terrorist creation is going to attack here 9/11-style RIGHT BEFORE ANOTHER 9/11 ANNIVERSARY.
Creating one"s own enemies then declaring war on them while putting the rest of the world in grave danger" [1]

3. ISIS is funded to attack the Hezbullah, the governers of Iran and Iranian Muslims, not Iraq and Syria
General"Wesley Kanne Clark, Sr., former Supreme Allied commander of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) revealed recently on CNN that the Islamic State (ISIS) was "funded by our friends and allies in order to fight Hezbollah.
" ISIS got started through funding from our friends and allies. Because as people will tell you in the region that if you want somebody who will fight to the death against Hezbollah, you don"t put out a recruiting poster saying, "sign up for us. We"re gonna make a better world." You go after zealots and you go after these religious fundamentalists. That"s who fights Hezbollah. It"s like a Frankenstein... We"re going to take out seven countries in five years, starting with Iraq, and then Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and, finishing off, Iran." [2]

4. ISLAMABAD:"Yousaf al Salafi " allegedly the Pakistan commander of Islamic State (IS) or Daish " has confessed during investigations that he has been receiving funds through the United States.
Law enforcing agencies on January 22 claimed that they arrested al Salafi, along with his two companions, during a joint raid in Lahore. However, sources revealed that al Salafi was actually arrested sometimes in December last year and it was only disclosed on January 22.
"During the investigations, Yousaf al Salafi revealed that he was getting funding " routed through America " to run the organisation in Pakistan and recruit young people to fight in Syria," a source privy to the investigations revealed to""Daily Express""on the condition of anonymity.
Al Salafi is a Pakistani-Syrian, who entered Pakistan through Turkey five months ago. Earlier, it was reported that he crossed into Turkey from Syria and was caught there. However, he managed to escape from Turkey and reached Pakistan to establish IS in the region.
Sources said al Salafi"s revelations were shared with the US Secretary of State John Kerry during his recent visit to Islamabad. "The matter was also taken up with CENTCOM chief General Lloyd Austin during his visit to Islamabad earlier this month," a source said.
Al Salafi also confessed that he " along with a Pakistani accomplice, reportedly imam of a mosque " was recruiting people to send them to Syria and was getting around $600 per person from Syria.
"The US has been condemning the IS activities but unfortunately has not been able to stop funding of these organisations, which is being routed through the US," a source said.
"The US had to dispel the impression that it is financing the group for its own interests and that is why it launched offensive against the organisation in Iraq but not in Syria," he added.
There are reports that citizens from Libya, Afghanistan, Pakistan and India besides other countries are being recruited by the IS to fight in Syria. Posters and wall chalking in favour of the IS have also been seen in various cities in Pakistan.
"Published in The Express Tribune, January"""28th, 2015." [3]

Ok, I guess it is sufficient to prove that ISIS is funded by America. I also quoted some hopy verses of Quran to prove that ISIS are not practising Islam.

You yourself admitted that the terrorists of ISIS are killing Muslims too. But let's read what Quran has to say about Muslims

- "The believers are but brothers, so make settlement between your brothers. And fear Allah that you may receive mercy." (49:10)

Muslims are brothers-in-faith. They are not the enemies of one another. Does this verse says to fight Muslims? No. But who can kill his own brothers? Only the hypocrites do such a thing.

- "Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah; and those with him are forceful against the disbelievers, merciful among themselves." (48:29)

But are the terroeists of ISIS merciful to the other Muslims? No. On the contray, they are forceful against the Muslims, merciful among their enemies.

Do you know what the Quran says to the terrorists of ISIS?
" Then, you are those [same ones who are] killing one another and evicting a party of your people from their homes, cooperating against them in sin and aggression. And if they come to you as captives, you ransom them, although their eviction was forbidden to you. So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do." (2:85)

Those wild terrorists/animals believe in some part of Quran (about Jihad) and disbelieve in some part (prohibition of killing the innocent)

ISIS are killing Muslims because they think other Muslims are misguided. They think they are superior to other Muslims and kill those who disagrees with them. They are just brainwashed to believe in such nonsense idea. Can you find a Quranic verse about killing Muslims?

You quoted a verse and interpreted it as you desired. Allah says:" So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward." (4:74)
You had better not to express your opinion! This verse is about those who are killed in the battlefields. A person who uses suicide bomb kills HIMSELF. He is not being killed. Martyrdom means when a person is killed by the enemies of Islam while defending his religion on the cause of Allah. A person who uses bomb suicide kills himself.

You may say that I am just quoting the Quran. That's what I should do. Our debate is about ISIS not represwnting Islam. And the teachings of Islam is in the Quran. You claim Quran teaches Muslims to kill disbelievers. And I proved that the Quran orders Muslims to fight disbelievers while they attack them.

You said:"My opponent has fallen into the common trap of cherry picking the 'good' verses and saying this is Islam."

You are right. That's Islam. Believe it or not. You have just read the Quranic verses about Jihad. But is the whole Quran about Jihad?

" Indeed, this Qur'an guides to that which is most suitable and gives good tidings to the believers who do righteous deeds that they will have a great reward." (17:9)

" There has come to you enlightenment from your Lord. So whoever will see does so for [the benefit of] his soul, and whoever is blind [does harm] against it. And [say], 'I am not a guardian over you.'" (6:104)





Ok first of I have no Idea what was with the massive rant at the start about trying to blame America for Isis it has nothing to do with the debate topic and was a waste of my time reading it. However I did and I still watched the video and this is the second time now I have noticed you have been purposefully misleading the voters with your references, the video clearly said "inadvertently" they did train the rebels but did not foresee that they then went of to join ISIS and use that information against America. However you are implying that your sources claim that America is doing this on purpose in order to make the west turn against muslims, now I stress this is the second time I have court you doing this, you need to stop lying it is extremely irritating and makes me doubt everything you are saying. Also this Shai Tv which you are getting your source clearly has it's own agenda as this is obvious how they showed all reporters and images but when the one woman reporter came on they blurred out the whole image, now I find this outrageously disrespectful and morally corrupt.

My opponent as much as I advised against it is back to quoting the Quran there are 300+ internal contradictions in the Quran (1) yet you continue to Quote the good verses to try to scramble together some sort of a point. such as saying muslims can't kill muslims which I have already outlined how they justify this I feel like I am repeating myself here they kill people they believe are not 'true' muslims I don't want to have to keep repeating this obvious fact.

here are just a few of the contradictions about the compulsion of Islam:
"Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256).
"And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,--that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3).
"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5).

It is obvious that ISIS can justify compulsion of Islam through some of the above texts if they simply ignore the others, just as my opponent is doing to support her position.

"Those wild terrorists/animals believe in some part of Quran (about Jihad) and disbelieve in some part (prohibition of killing the innocent)" you to I assume are guilty of this you obviously dont practice everything about jihad so by your own logic you are not a 'true' muslim either.

My opponent says "You quoted a verse and interpreted it as you desired" OMG this is how religion works the reader interprets the lessons, your very next statement is how you interpreted the quote how can you not understand that, I'm not even religious and I know this.

Unfortunately for my opponent she admitted to cherry picking with "You are right. That's Islam. Believe it or not. You have just read the Quranic verses about Jihad. But is the whole Quran about Jihad" surely you see the contradiction and inconsistency in this argument I can say the exact same thing the whole Quran is not about peace either, and this is a fact I think you really need to absorb. You put yourself in a really bad position with that argument.

no one expects anyone of any faith to follow all the details outlined in the holy texts (obviously it would be impossible due to so many contradictions), However it is flat out wrong to say ISIS does not represent Islam in relation to global jihad (as my opponent has already admitted) and martyrdom.

Debate Round No. 3


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scared potter
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victory is mine
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by hect 1 year ago
hmm probably not, as I have already posted a lot of my arguments also I have mostly moved on from the debate section over to polls as I have had most of the debates I came here to have. Plus I have a war to wage on censorship.
Posted by UtherPenguin 1 year ago
Are you intrested in doing another debate on this topic? Pro takes from mostly Shia sources in regards to a Sunni terrorist group.
Posted by hect 1 year ago
I do recall such a conversation, but it looks like I have already had the debate so... soz
Posted by UtherPenguin 1 year ago
hect, didn't you say you were going to debate me on this topic a two months ago
Posted by hect 1 year ago
5 hours left in case you forgot
Posted by Julia5678 1 year ago
Ok my sister/brother. :). I am waiting!
Posted by hect 1 year ago
I'll post my argument tomorrow arvo
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