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ISIS are not representing Islam

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Started: 4/28/2015 Category: Religion
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Julia5678

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ISIS has been founded by America and Israel. They just want to deceive people. They want to stop Islamic Awakening and replace it with Islamiphobia.

Zio-American imperialist and their allies including Turkey and Saudi Arabia made way for ISIS to occupy vast areas of Iraq and Syria and the mass murder of their people.

These video can show you that ISIS has been founded by ISIS. Obama himself says that he trains them and the governers of America admits that they arm those terrorists.

http://www.shiatv.net...

http://www.shiatv.net...

In this email, I jusr want to prove that ISIS are not representing Islam.

- Terrorism Has No Religion

Unfortunately, many people in the West hold that Islam is a terrorist religion and hence the term Islam sounds obnoxious to them. Such a false belief is one of the main barriers between the people of Western scocities and real Islam. But is Islam really the religion of violence and terrorism?

Islam prohibits terrorism, unlawful acquisition of property of others, and causing harm to innocent human beings. Islam rejects all forms of violence. The terrorist attack on the World Trade Center in New York on September 11, 2001 was condemned by Muslims around the world. In fact, those who perished included many Muslims.

Terrorists have no religion. They kill indiscriminately. They use the name of religion to justify their atrocities, and thus bring a bad name to the religion. Just as the Crusades when Christians committed horrible things in the name of Christ.

Many of non-Muslims, knowingly or unknowingly, claim that the Noble Qur'an orders Muslims to kill disbelievers, infidels and those who refuse to embrace Islam. This false belief, which is spread by the media, is just one of the misconceptions to conceal the truth about Islam.

Here, I briefly discuss on the viewpoint of the Qur'an regarding murdering.

1. As we see in Iraq and Syria, the terrorists of ISIS kill the innocent people who do not convert to Islam. And non-Muslims think that the Qur'an orders the terrorists to do so. But let's see what the Qur'an has to say:

"There shall be no compulsion in [acceptance of] the religion." (The Qur'an 2:256)

According to the above verse, no one is allowed to force others to embrace Islam. And no one (apart from the prophet and his true successors) is allowed to kill those who do not accept Islam. And if forcing someone to embrace Islam was fair and just, Allah would have more right to force them.

"And if Allah willed, He could have made them [of] one religion, but He admits whom He wills into His mercy. And the wrongdoers have not any protector or helper." (the Qur'an 42:8)

"Then have those who believed not accepted that had Allah willed, He would have guided the people, all of them?" (the Qur'an 13:31)

So we understand thet Allah, the Exalted, wants people to submit (in Islam) to Him willingly. No one should be forced to believe. Therefore, those terrorists who kill people for not accepting religion are not practising the teachings of Islam.

2. There is another misconception that Islam supports terrorism. For proving this misconception, the enemies of Islam mention the Qur'anic verses about Jihad and killing the disbelievers. But they never read the Qur'an directly. They never think about the verses to understand their true meanings. That's why Allah sent down this Holy Book:

"Thus Allah makes clear to you the verses [of revelation] that you might give thought." (the Qur'an 2:219)

Allah wants us to think about the Qur'an. But some people read it blindly and misunderstsnd Islam:

"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an, or are there locks upon [their] hearts?" (47:24)

As I mentioned earlier, it is believed that the Qur'an orders Muslims to kill infidels. But if we read those verses and think carefully, we will realize that the Holy Qur'an only orders Muslims to kill those who have killed or harmed them. This is called Jihad (holy war) not what ISIS are doing...

"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you." (The Qur'an 2:190-191)

After Muhammad (pbuh) was appointed as the Last Messenger of Allah and preached Islam, the polytheists and disbelievers of Mecca started torturing him and those who was embracing Islam. The Prophet (pbuh) was patient even though they made great accusations against him of being a magician, being mad, being a poet or being a liar.

"And they say, 'O you upon whom the message has been sent down, indeed you are mad." (the Qur'an 15:6)

Then Allah revealed the following verse:

"And We already know that your breast is constrained by what they say. So exalt [Allah] with praise of your Lord and be of those who prostrate [to Him]." (the Qur'an 15:97-98)

Then they rejected the Prophet (pbuh) and he got sad. Thus Allah revealed this verse:

" We know that you, [O Muhammad], are saddened by what they say. And indeed, they do not call you untruthful, but it is the verses of Allah that the wrongdoers reject. And certainly were messengers denied before you, but they were patient over [the effects of] denial, and they were harmed until Our victory came to them. And none can alter the words of Allah. And there has certainly come to you some information about the [previous] messengers." (the Qur'an 6:33-34)

The polytheists kept torturing the Muslims. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) and his followers stayed patient and tolerated torture. But Allah who wanted to protect His servants ordered Muslims to defend themselves and kill the polytheists:

"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." (the Qur'an 9:5)

And Allah tells us why the polytheists must be killed:

"They do not observe toward a believer any pact of kinship or covenant of protection. And it is they who are the transgressors." (the Qur'an 9:10)

"Would you not fight a people who broke their oaths and determined to expel the Messenger, and they had begun [the attack upon] you the first time? Do you fear them? But Allah has more right that you should fear Him, if you are [truly] believers." (the Qur'an 9:13)

According to the above verse, polytheists were the first to attack upon the Muslims. So Muslims killed them to defend themselves. But if the polytheists repent, Allah forgives them:

" And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know." (the Qur'an 9:6)

"But if they repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, then they are your brothers in religion; and We detail the verses for a people who know." (the Qur'an 9:11)

3. On the other hand, Allah has prohibited killing an innocent person for no reason.

The Qur"an says about the prohibition of murder,

" And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed] except by [legal] right. This has He instructed you that you may use reason." (the Qur'an 6:151)

" And do not kill the soul which Allah has forbidden, except by right. And whoever is killed unjustly - We have given his heir authority, but let him not exceed limits in [the matter of] taking life. Indeed, he has been supported [by the law]." (17:33)

" And the servants of the Most Merciful are those who walk upon the earth easily, and when the ignorant address them [harshly], they say [words of] peace,... And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty." (25:61 , 25-68)

In above verses, The Almighty Allah clearly forbids murdering. And He will punish those who kill the innocent people for no reason.

According to the Qur"an, killing any person without a just cause is as big a sin as killing the whole humanity and saving the life of one person is as good deed as saving the whole humanity.

" Whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely." (5:32)

But as we see in Iraq and Syria, the terrorists of ISIS are killing innocent people. And it is against the teachings of the Qur'an. So it is obvious that they do not represent Islam. They just attack on Islam in the name of Islam to deceive people and show them the "ISraeli ISlam."
ypmagic

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The United States does not, in any way, support the Islamic State of Iraq and Syria. The U.S. Department of Defense has called upon the international community to support the United States in destroying ISIS. There is no evidence against the United States or Israel that indicates conspiracy. Seeing that you cite the Quran, are you not Muslim? Do you have hate for the United States and Israel, as do many other Muslims across the Middle East and Asia?

Secondly, Islam, like many other religions in this world, can be interpreted in many different ways. There are some who believe that jihad in the Quran literally represents the calling on Muslims to fight against the infidels, and that is what ISIS is purely based on. There are many contradictions in the Quran and the Quran can be interpreted differently depending on the type of person you are and depending on what you believe in.

Thirdly, Islam is not associated with Judaism or Christianity. Islam has different tenets and very different beliefs from Judaism or Christianity, and it would be wrong of you to assume that the Jewish faith is at war with Islam. It would be wrong of you to think that ISIS is a conspiracy created by the West.
Debate Round No. 1
Julia5678

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Hello brother,
Thank you so much for accepting my challenge. I wish you luck.

There is one Quranic verse whuch always reminds me of the governers of America and Israel:

"And when it is said to them," Do not cause corruption on the earth,' they say, 'We are but reformers." (Quran 2:11)

1. Brother, are you like those people who think we are terrorists? Do you think all Muslims are terrorists?

When America takes one million lives in Iraq for oil, it is not terrorism.
When Serbs rape Muslim women in Kosovo ans Bosnia, it is not terrorism.
When Russians kill 200000 Chechens in bombings, it is not terrorism.
When Jews kick out Palestinians and take their land, it is not terrorism.
When American drones kill entire family in Afghanistan and Pakistan, it is not terrorism.
When Israel kills 10000 Lebanese civilians due to two missing soldiers, it is not terrorism.
When Muslim retaliate and show you how you treat us, is it called terrorism?
It seems the word Terrorism is only reserved for Muslims.

The governers of America and Israel have founded ISIS and some other countries (Saudi Arabia) have betrayed Islam and support them. The governers of America may say that they want to attack ISIS. But they are just deceiving people. They are hypocrites. And if they attack, they just want to deceive people and show them that they can save the world.
"They say, 'We are but reformers.'" (Quran 2:11)

2. You said that Quran has contradictions. Would you please name one of them? And if you want, I can tell you all the contradictions in the Bible.
"Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it" much contradiction." (Quran 4:82)

" So woe to those who write the 'scripture' with their own hands, then say, 'This is from Allah.' in order to exchange it for a small price. Woe to them for what their hands have written and woe to them for what they earn." (Quran 2:79)

3. Jihad means fighting the enemies in the cause of Allah. It doesn't mean to kill all infidels and non-Muslims. Jihad means to defend Muslims when the disbelievers and polytheists attack them.
" Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors." (2:190)

4." You are right. Quran can be interpreted in different ways. That's why Prophet Muhammad has said:" I am leaving for you two precious and weighty things that if you adhere to both of them, you shall not go astray after me. They are, the Book of Allah, and my progeny, that is, my Ahl al-Bayt. The Merciful has informed me that these two shall not separate from each other till they come to me by the Pool (of Paradise)."

The Quran and the household of the Prophet cannot be separated. We must hold fast to both of them and if we ignore one, we will be misguided. That's why the terrorists of ISIS kill innocent Muslims. They ignore the household of Muhammad. They also do not have a Quran

5. ISIS has nothing to do with Quran
Spending 10 months as captive for the so-called Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL), French journalist Didier Fran"ois said his captors were usually engaged in political discussions and "didn't even have the Quran". "There was never really discussion about texts or -- it was not a religious discussion. It was a political discussion," Fran"ois told CNN.
"They didn't even have the Quran; they didn't want even to give us a Quran." Francois is one of the few captives who were released by ISIL last April before the militant group"s expansion in Iraq. Though he did not wish to elaborate on how he was treated by ISIL, he stressed that local Syrians and Iraqis faced most of the torture at the hands of their captors.
"We could see some of them in the corridors when we were taken to the toilets," he said, "and we could see some people lying in their blood." "You could see the chains hanging, or the ropes hanging, or the iron bars."
For Fran"ois, losing freedom was the worst nightmare he faced during those 10 months. "Of course we were beaten up. But it was not every day. I mean, it's hard enough -- you don't have to overplay it." "It's hard enough to lose your freedom. It's hard enough to be in the hands of people who you know are killing hundreds and thousands of local Syrians, Iraqis, Libyans, Tunisians, can put bombs in our countries." "It's terrifying enough. The beating is strong, but it's not every day. It happens sometimes." "If they wanted to wreck you, they could. None of us would have been able to go through if it was beating every day, and torture every day." Luckily, Francois was released on April 19, 2014, at the Turkish borders where soldiers found them with their hands bound and blindfolded. He was released just before ISIL made its shocking sweep through Iraq, capturing vast amounts of territory in June 2014. [1]

6. Last month, I was reciting the Quran then I stopped after seeing this verse:

"And indeed, there is among them a party who alter the Scripture with. their tongues so you may think it is from the Scripture, but it is not from the Scripture. And they say, "This is from Allah," but it is not from Allah. And they speak untruth about Allah while they know." (3:78)

This verse made me ask myself some questions:" Why did they changed the Bible? What was their purpose of corrupting the Bible? The Quran says that they changed the word of Allah to earn money, but why? Who paid them the money and what was their purpose?" Then I remembered all I learnt in my classes in Seminary school. I remembered how the Bible belittles Allah and praises the Satan. I remembered how the Bible slanders and accuses Prophet Noah (Genesis 9:20-22), Lot (Genesis 19:31-38), Aaron (Exodus 32), Moses (Deutoronomy 32:51), David (1 Samuel 11:2-26), Solomon (1 Kings 11:3-4, 1 Kings 11:9-11) and even Jesus... In my "Anti-Cultures Typology" class, I studied about western schools of thoughts and cultures. I thought about all this information and tried to make a conclusion. Although there are some missing parts which are still mystery for me, I could make a general conclution and theory. There were some people who hated religions and Allah. (To my mind, they were Jews and Freemason because Freemason people are the followers of Anti-Christ and the Satan and all the horrible events in the world are caused by them). They wanted to prepare the world for the rulership of the Satan. As you know, in an $1 bill there is the symbole of Illumaniti, the eye of Lucifer. They believe that the Satan will rule the world. For the rulership of Satan, Freemason people needed to misguide people and cause chaos and corruption in the world. They wanted the others to leave their religions. But they couldn't do it all at once. Because at that time, people cared so much about religion and spirituality. So they decided to corrupt the religions. First, they corrupted Judaism and founded some false sects. After several years, this corruption caused Theodor Herzel found Israel and Zionism. And the Zionist terrorists are still killing innocent people in Gaza and Lebanon. Then they corrupted Christianity. Paul of Tarsus was the first person to corrupt the Bible while pretenting to be changed by that vision. He invented Trinity (which is based on Hindu Trinity), Original Sin and Ransom Sacrificed. I searched the internet and I realized that some people claim Paul was Freemason. This claim strengthened my theory. The corruption of Christianity led to the Crusades that Christian terrorists killed innocent Muslims. Only one religion left; Islam. But Freemason and Jewish people couldn't corrupt the Quran because Allah is its guardian.

"Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (15:9)

So they, instead, made some miconceptions against Islam and tried to make people and Muslims misinterpret the Quran. These misconceptions made non-Muslims hate Islam. And this misinterpretion led to the found of Taliban, al-Qaida and ISIS, the terrorist group that are attacking on Syria and Iraq. If we compare these terrorist groups from different religions with one another, we realize that they are really the same. No wonder! They were following the footsteps of their founders, Freemasons and Jews. The corruption of Christianity wasn't limited to terrorist group and misguiding people. It made Christians hate Allah and turn into atheism. Because sooner or later, some Christians find out that all they believed was a lie and all their beliefs were false. They feel they wasted their life following false beliefs. And it causes hatred in their heart. Some open-minded Christians convert to Islam.

The Quran says that Jews are enemies of Muslims. " You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews and polytheists, and you will find the nearest of them in affection to the believers those who say, 'We are Christians.' That is because among them are priests and monks and because they are not arrogant." (Quran 5:82)

I am waiting for your argument to tell you more about ISIS.

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[1] www.iqna.ir
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Posted by torger597 1 year ago
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ISIS has been founded by America and Israel. They just want to deceive people. They want to stop Islamic Awakening and replace it with Islamiphobia.
I laughed insanely hard.
These video can show you that ISIS has been founded by ISIS.
Lol.
Posted by Sirhan277 1 year ago
Sirhan277
Shia sources are liars and ISIS and America are not the same or alinged why dont you go back to Jessy Ventura.
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