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ISLAM vs any thing1

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Started: 2/19/2013 Category: Religion
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makhdoom5

Pro

ISLAM vs any thing means ISLAM vs any thing,
Which means any other idea can challenge. which further means any one against ISLAM come face ISLAM.
And ask any question.
Indeed which further means choose any topic.
This time i am clear my humble advise is please read the first debate of this series
ISLAM vs any thing.
I am asking to choose any topic and with explanation.
zgb1997

Con

I accept the challenge.
Debate Round No. 1
makhdoom5

Pro

Assumption ( Islam is best and there is not best alternative of this religion)
First of all this is the major religion of the world.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Its on second number in the world. ( more than 1.60 billion peoples) http://en.wikipedia.org...
There is no better alternative religion in this world than Islam.
I am giving three main reason.
Normally a religion is much based on faith and it is vital part of any religion.
so number one is
1) Faiths. ( about resources and faith need much more better evidence )
2) A system of life and the study of ALL universe. ( science, art, philosophy, life, any topic or aspect of life).
3 GOD ( His role in our life and how he influence us, how we interact and recognize him not the false)
So a perfect religion must satisfy all three criteria.
Elaboration.
1) Faiths
GOD
Islam says there is no GOD but ALLAH and MUHAMMAD (SAW W=peace be upon him ) is last and final messenger.
1st part is about GOD.
Lets discuss which religion tells best about GOD.
And which religion has best and acceptable definition of GOD.
I will start with presenting a chapter of Qur'an.
Al-IkhlasIn the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful (chapter 112)
Say: He is Allah, the One! (1) Allah, the eternally Besought of all! (2) He begetteth not nor was begotten. (3) And there is none comparable unto Him. (4) (by Pickhthal)
Al-IkhlasIn the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful (chapter 112)
Say (O Muhammad (SAW)): "He is Allah, (the) One.[] (1) "Allah-us-Samad [Allah the Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, (He neither eats nor drinks)]. (2) "He begets not, nor was He begotten;[] (3) "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him." (4)
(by Mohsin Ali)
I will discuss more after presenting others ideas first.
So than,
1 Christian.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Most of them believe trinity.
3 in 1 or 1in 3.
http://en.wikipedia.org...

they says nonotheism. Which is direct contradiction with trinity.
if you put egg or apple nothing suits as an example.
They made GOD into three.
More than one make Christianity same as other religion.
If you see the images they make, which seem just like a usual human. ( GOD look like human, little extra they give angle wings)
same as all other religion do.
They even make idols. Even worship merry and not only that angel which is in trinity but many other angles.
You can see in link they made many angles in the image.
One part of there god died on cross and made this think a myth like the myths of ancient roman gods eg., Zeus, Ares etc.,
there god had mother too.
The Christian god is much more near to Hindu's god or Beadiest god.
The Christian God is void or unacceptable.
Its kind of animal nature or materialistic.
If GOD is part of matter and energy than every thing is GOD which is the view of atheist or agnostic or any science believer.
2 Hinduism
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Hindu believe in more than 2 billion gods.
Which is again more than one so resemble with Christianity.
And all are always presented into human form.
Compare it with Islamic criteria.
And check the Islamic criteria.
There gods were present here in this world and suddenly disappeared, i don't know why. But they were ruling and marrying and eating and doing all human kind of stuff.
Why they are in there books now but not present here.
Hindu mythology is just like ancient roman mythology.
3 Buddhism
http://en.wikipedia.org...
they also make multiple statute of Buddha.
there god was also a human Buddha.
Again the properties of animals or characteristic of animals.
Like we human are social animal.
4 Jew-ism
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
http://en.wikipedia.org... there is name suggests polytheism.
5 ISLAM
http://en.wikipedia.org...
i put 5 major religion.
Now see all above religion has lot of things in common.
But Islam is distinct.
Perfect monotheism with no doubt.
We consider all prophet as prophet but not god.
Its about comparison.
So i did.
There are many faith which is mention in link.
GOD
we say GOD is only one in every aspect.
Like personally or
In Qur'an ALLAH says:
Who hath created life and death that He may try you which of you is best in conduct; and He is the Mighty, the Forgiving
67:2
he created us to do good deeds.
2 prophet
Our Prophet (saww)
gave us the perfect life.
The life of father, son, husband, son in law,
the life of ruler( actually not a ruler but imam or khilafah) which is different than ruler. They do not have final and ultimate power but ALLAH himself. They are delegated personality.
Which is the base of Islamic state.
If khilafah do some thing wrong than he is also accountable. he
Not like UK queen can breach law.
Or autocracy. Bureaucracy, democracy,
the king is supreme, the gov. Groups are supreme eg. Army. The parliament is supreme.
Life of teacher like he was iman in masjid.
He political personality and had given us many example of political agreement.
Jesus (AS) AS= peace be upon him in Arabic its (alay salam)
he was not a father. So he his behavior do not told us how be a best father.
He was not husband. Same as above.
He never acted as general of army.
His life never told us much.
And if you see the bibles also do not tell us about many aspects of life.
They were keep as un finished.
As the last book was going to serve the task.
Jesus as they say died in way the criminal or cursed peoples of that time was dying.
Which we deny he did not.
One of the Christian's unjustifiable claim.
How the person would bring justice for other if he was unable to bring for him self.
Well i have another debate his CRUCIFIXION.
Leave this topic.
Moses (AS)
again like Jesus.
He fought with feroun.( Ramses 2)
He brought his nation to a place where they were consistently disobeying ALLAH.
And they took many curse.
They remain 40 year in a infertile land as punishment.
There was not given any system of life by Moses just like Jesus.
How could that country would survive if that is religious country but do not provide information about different matters of life.
(And in Hindu and Buddhism. Their gods and prophets are same. So mentioned in GOD section.)
BOOK
Qur'an
http://en.wikipedia.org...
the authenticity was questioned but not proved to be wrong.
At that time there were 12 tribes of Muslim each had minor writing style difference. Like we see now a days.
Its fact aver 30 km there would be minor linguistically difference.
But best was the way of prophet's saww tribe.
So Osman (RA) did disposed all other style and convinced all other tribes to have one format.
The Qur'an was same and they never opposed as they get what was actual and what was best.
Qur'an was written in the time of prophet saww.
The very first copy of Qur'an is same as the very last of this time. Means this time the Qur'an would be printing is same as the first Qur'an.
Important.
Whatever Qur'an says about science never proved to be wrong.
Examples.
Big Bang theory. Which is actually fact not theory for us as it happened.
http://en.wikipedia.org...
Embryology
http://www.islam101.com...
Black holes
http://www.answering-christianity.com...

bible.
I am not going to talk much about bible.
My most important concern is to talk about Islam.
But the was it was written i must talk.
http://www.biblica.com...
http://www.britannica.com...
http://en.wikipedia.org...
see who wrote them. John, Luke, Matthew,
it would be just to say if they had written this in front of Jesus or Moses than its good and we would not be having problem.But they says under the supervision of angles.
Hindu and Buddhist or Sikh scripture
i will
zgb1997

Con

zgb1997 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
makhdoom5

Pro

Hinduism, Sikhism or Buddhism.
All are very closely related.
So taking about them in common is good.
In all of there books about Islam is mention so they are suppose to act on religion. And accept what is in islam.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=jFvz-tBdYp0
www.youtube.com/watch?v=UuDKSTLw8iY
www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHD1UgUtV1E
http://www.irf.net...
this is enough.
They talk about what is best.
Indeed if you go all reformer of these religion tells that the peoples now a days are not following true religion.
So some Muslims think that there scripture may be which belonged to the prophet of their nation.
So could be from ALLAH.
Well.
Onward I am not going to criticize any religion as its not my task.
I am suppose to put what we got.
So what we got is here.
I already mention the scientific evidence which Islam gave 1400 years ago but science is presenting now.
There are many.
This book Qur'an is not book of science but a complete system. So it covers all aspects. Like law, philosophy, economics, ethics, social life, religious life or faiths, deeds, etc.
I have talked about other religion.
But I am going to talk about those peoples who do not have any religion.
Like atheist or agnostic or secular or communist peoples.
As they all believe in science so I am going to put the light on scientific knowledge which islam gives us.
Dark matter.
http://www.speed-light.info...

mosquito.
http://www.questionsonislam.com...
also mention the female one
http://rense.com...
the non believer was laughing at the example given in Quran but see this is most deadly animal in the world.

The two sea
www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7laxNgKwR4
http://www.speed-light.info...

Fire creature. Or jinns

Photons. Are energy which are light particles.
And have relative mass. As the speed is so high than it is converted into energy.
As mass energy equation.
The fire also produce the photons as in the form of light.
Which are called to be the smokeless fire.
Which are actually rays or electromagnetic radiation.
Or simply jinns which are pure energy.
And as the photons if put into rest position it will have mass and so weight.
So Qur'an says about jinn.
http://math.ucr.edu...
also. if matter can think and can have sense of creation than why not energy.
atom

http://www.speed-light.info...
Angles.
agains
Human.
Honey bee
http://www.speed-light.info...

matter and antimatter

Indeed the most shocking for me as I saw today this. Its great.
http://www.speed-light.info...

Three darkness.
http://www.quranmiracles.com...

Black holes more
http://www.speed-light.info...

evolution
http://www.speed-light.info...

warnholes
http://www.speed-light.info...

Rain cycle.
Matter.
Energy.
Law of conservation of mass.
the matter cant be destroyed and cant be created. only transformed from one form to another. means the human cant be destroyed as made up of matter. so our death is only transformation.
death and resurrection.

Universe or earth shape
Chapter 13 verses 1 to 10

Shape of earth 13-41

http://www.speed-light.info...

splitting of moon
http://en.wikipedia.org...

zamzam water

www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPXHu4m0ji

http://en.wikipedia.org...

www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJg7ynIlcrM

http://www.qul.org.au...
zgb1997

Con

zgb1997 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
makhdoom5

Pro

http://en.wikipedia.org...

the above link, prove a long history of stealing what was rightfully ours. All the scientific discoveries i have mention above are also in Qur'an which proves a lot of things.
As the Qur'an was revealed 1400 years ago but these discoveries are 2 or 3 centuries earlier.
Which means these things are also stolen from Qur'an. For the hypothesis there must be observation.
For that you need some thing within your reach to observe (universe). Indeed all other discoveries was sudden accident(antibiotic, urea etc) which were not in Qur'an. Other wise all those which could not be identifiable from accident are identified from the Qur'an. At least Qur'an might have given them direction.
Also the Qur'an was available to any body throughout the 1400 years.
I must say all scientist stole from Qur'an. And did it in systematic way so that no body could say they know all that from Qur'an. Well the question is why they did this.
Actually all scientific discoveries indeed the astronomy or physics related were important and whoever did that got a lot of fame, the Nobel pries. They also got a lot of money and respect (called as hero) .
They would be fool to admit they have got it from Qur'an.
Than they would have ruined their own lives with their own hand.
So they did this so nice and clean. It was their old method. I have so many examples but. There is no need. As the above data explains itself a lot for the peoples who think.

This should be enough.

He is All"h, the Creator, the Inventor of all things, the Bestower of forms. To Him belong the Best Names[] . All that is in the heavens and the earth glorify Him. And He is the All-Mighty, the All-Wise. (24)
zgb1997

Con

zgb1997 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
makhdoom5

Pro

Islam is the best.
Be a Muslim and show Muslims are good peoples.
Islam is the best.
zgb1997

Con

zgb1997 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
also go and see my debate atheism vs Islam.
http://www.debate.org...
Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
do u want to see ALLAH. or want to meet ALLAH.
if than tell me i can arrange the meeting. its not difficult.
Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
do u want to see ALLAH. or want to meet ALLAH.
if than tell me i can arrange the meeting. its not difficult.
Posted by Olorin 3 years ago
Olorin
Lol. And we're supposed to believe that Islam is a religion of peace?

Your god DOES NOT exist, and your prophet is a liar.

Peace.
Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
olorin than cong than.
see at judgement day. and i will personally throw u in hell.
and cong for the hell fire.
loll
Posted by Olorin 3 years ago
Olorin
There is no evidence for the existence of allah and no good reason to believe in he/she/it.
Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
loll
Posted by makhdoom5 3 years ago
makhdoom5
well also know. but some time i use spell checker and by mistake select wrong.
my apology for that.
Posted by wrichcirw 3 years ago
wrichcirw
There's no such thing as "Jew-ism", it is Judaism.
Posted by wrichcirw 3 years ago
wrichcirw
There's no such thing as "Jew-ism", it is Judaism.
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