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IVF Debate

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Started: 4/29/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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emilyjg24

Pro

In vitro fertilization allows couples who would otherwise be considered "in fertile" to be able to have their own children. This makes for happier couples, and also a new life brought into the world no matter how it got there. It's still the mother's egg, it wasn't created out of no where by a test tube. Also it can give knowledge to the scientists and doctors performing this an insight into Birth Defects, and overall it would help prenatal care in general as being able to do this is a big advancement in science and in the health industry, to help prevent other birth defects, and in general the health for women.
joy349m

Con

IVF may seem great and even hopeful for those couples who are 'in fertile', who wish to have kids,but are several serious problem that many don't consider. The first issue is a disease called OHSS or Ovarian Hyperstimulation Syndrome. IVF helps increase the number of follicles by stimulating ovaries, however this can cause an exaggerated natural cycle. The ovaries produce many follicles and fluid may leak from the blood vessels. The leakage would then lead into the abdominal cavity and lungs. Due to the fact that in many cases the symptoms are mild and resolve themselves, those with severe OHSS have it much worse. Symptoms and conditions of severe OHSS include enlarged ovaries, dehydration, fatigue and the collection of large amounts of fluid in the abdomen and lungs, and sometimes blood clots and kidney failure. The mild form of OHSS occurs one in every 30 simulations.
Sometimes in less severe terms there has to be a cycle cancellation which takes more time and money. However a cycle cancellation may worse the chance of getting OHSS. There are many reasons to have a cycle cancellation and you can even request it, but it puts you at a higher risk. On top of that the process it self may fail. There could be no fertilization, no embryo development, or no implantation. It could even be the labs fault, which means you spent money on a lab to help you have a baby and there were short comings.
Debate Round No. 1
emilyjg24

Pro

In regards to OHSS, Doctors work to prevent this with extreme caution. They identify patients at risk by an accurate antral follicle count and measurement of anti-mullerian hormone (AMH) Levels, if they find that the patient is at a high risk they can lower the starting does for the fertility drugs , and also can decreasing the trigger dose of hCG, which is the prime stimulator of VEGF. If they do manage to get OHSS even with all the precautions, pregnancy CAN worsen it, /but/ the doctors are able to freeze all the eggs/embryos so they can treat the symptoms by either: 1. Early tapping of ascitic fluid, which reduces the load of VEGF in circulation and can show immediate improvement in the patient, or 2. The usage of metformin, it's normally used for treating type 2 diabetes and works by reducing insulin levels, because insulin stimulates VEGF, so it may reduce the chance for OHSS.

One of the big reasons why IVF is needed, is because it bypasses many problems with a woman's fallopian tubes. IVF was actually first made because women who had fallopian tube damage or blockages wanted to still have children. It lessens the need to have surgery on the fallopian tubes, and in estimation has cut the number nearly 50%! It makes sure, even though they cannot have an egg pass into their uterus naturally, that one can be placed there (And it's still theirs.) without having to use a surrogate mother or to adopt.
joy349m

Con

One of the main ethical issues with the IVF fertilization is the fact that the mother or father have the ability to destroy or freeze the unwanted eggs. To freeze the eggs means to keep them protected until another time which is fine until the fact that these embryos are people, they are humans, and they are alive. The embryo has DNA, a full set of 46 chromosomes, from mom and from dad. Humans are identified by their DNA and embryos do have DNA. However freezing them is one thing, but destroying them? Many have argued that the baby is not 'alive' until it is a fetus, but things with DNA are alive. They do not have to be multi-cellular organisms to be living.
The second main ethical issue is what was mentioned before, the possibility of OHSS. This can be an illness even if the doctor takes every precaution, it happens. However should this procedure really be done if it can cause harm to mother and child. Doctors are suppose to relieve pain and make peoples lives happier, but people who are sick are not happy. Besides what is the point of a procedure that helps you have kids, if in the end its a toss up between getting sick or not and whether the procedure will work or not.
Debate Round No. 2
emilyjg24

Pro

This issue with the embryos/eggs being alive or not, shouldn't be an issue. If the moral debate wants to be brought in, it has to be with a breathing, feeling, developed fetus/thing. The Embryo/embyros implanted are actually only 7-10 cells by 72 hours. What we classify as being "alive", is yes the movement, the multicellular organelles, respiration, excretion etc. But, when we think about cells or bugs for instance, we do not care if we crush them in fact we think that this living, breathing thing is a menace and we squash it. Yet we feel so much towards a ball of cells hardly visible to the naked eye, we have to use microscopes to view it. It is not alive, even then if one egg or embryo can be saved then it wasn't just for nothing. The female system gets rid of unused, unneeded eggs all the time. But, if one egg/embryo can be saved then it's better than nothing. The couple would want a baby, and sometimes the eggs don't get fertilized which is why they make the follicles make so many and they take so many out is so they can try to get one fertilized, which leads to why the couple couldn't naturally conceive on their own because just trying to fertilize one egg was next to impossible because of their problems.
joy349m

Con

joy349m forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
emilyjg24

Pro

As said before, the human body is a very resilient thing as there are many workings going on even within the Reproduction system. The Scientific advancements that have been able to help along the human body, in the reproductive sense is astounding. That's all IVF does, is to help along pregnancy for women, couples, etc. that can't do it on their own easily, and they've tried. The risk of OHSS, although small does happen, yes, but no couple, woman whatever chooses this. It is not forced on them, what they do is their choice not anyone else's. Therefore, it doesn't risk anyone else's body but her own and that is something couples should think about before even getting involved with in vitro fertilization.
joy349m

Con

One major problem with IVF is the problem with multiple births. However it is not only that but the major health defects that cone with it. Through IVF more twins and triples are born then if it were conceived normally, and because of this it is hard on the mother and the wallet. However money isn't the major concern. It is found that twins and triplets conceived through IVF actually have more health problems, such as prematurity and low weight. Thirty years of IVF data was analyzed to conclude these findings. This isn't something new.
Debate Round No. 4
emilyjg24

Pro

The findings on the premature and health problems are obviously known to the public. If the mother still goes through with it, and it happens even with the top care, they at least knew what could happen before they wanted to conceive the child. Also, if people continually use IVF it can be improved, alone with Women's care in general.
joy349m

Con

joy349m forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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