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IVF Debate

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Started: 4/21/2015 Category: Science
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Mdelgado9001

Pro

In Vitro fertilization has many benefits for a wide variety of people. There is more of a chance for a child, that anyone has the chance to have, Outside circumstances such as low sperm count are invalidated, and it is much quicker to have children than having a child the traditional way. People might undergo IVF if their spouse has a low sperm count, or if they have a low fertility rate, because the chance of rearing a child the normal way has such a small probability that it seems impossible. A few other reasons are that doctors can identify if anything is seriously wrong with the embryo, and as such, will only choose the best eggs to implant into the mother. The rest of the eggs can be frozen so they can be used later. As a result of the freezing it also lets the couple have children, even after the mother has gone through menopause, meaning that they can give rise to a child at any time they wish, so when they have time for it, they can have a healthy child. Leaving behind the standard definition of parents, these spare fertilized eggs can also be used with couples that have no possibility what so ever to have children. Because of multiple eggs, there is a higher chance of the pregnancy reaching completion, in a much safer way. I will say this again: with this method, anyone can be a parent at the time that they choose.
abigail.casalla

Con

Study of life has always been a 50/50 for everyone, so there will be no 100% assurance that anyone can be parents any time they want. Just like natural birth, failures do occur. According to American Pregnancy Association, it states that In Vitro Fertilization never had a success rate of over 45%. IVF also costs between $12,000 to as high as $20,000 for the complete process and may have to spend more if the first process fails. The hopeful parents already went through too much due to being infertile so having to go through another failure of becoming pregnant after spending thousands and thousands of dollars would totally ruin them completely emotionally and mentally.

Ever since the beginning of the human race, reproduction has always been done the 'natural' way. Human population grew from hundreds of people to as high as 7 billion people. To think as at least 100,000 people worldwide die a day, human birth is estimated to be three times more than the death rates. The orphan rates worldwide ranges around 20 million children. All of those children would love to have parents to adopt and care for them and the whole idea of IVF would completely take that dream away from them.
Debate Round No. 1
Mdelgado9001

Pro

Just as every other subject in science, there is always risks in the beginning. As such, there is always a slight chance of failure when it comes to having a pregnancy using in Vitro fertilization. But, this being a relatively knew technology, it will always advance, getting better, as well as more successful. The statistic is true, however, it is per cycle, which is why at the beginning of this process, multiple eggs are taken, so that there can be more than one cycle available, successful pregnancy or not.
As for the cost, nothing can be done at the moment, but again, technology always moves forward. Just as phones once cost roughly 4000 USD at the time of release, the price will go down to it costing a few hundred dollars, especially as methods become more effective, and the medications for the process to start become cheaper.
But, for most parents, the cost is always justified. It cost 245,340 USD (based on a 2013 government report) to raise a child from birth to the age of 18. What are a few thousand dollars added to this cost if it all adds up to a massive amount. A child is an investment, but you need to put something in to get something out. A child will bring their parents happiness and laughter, a long with a massive amount of pride if their child is successful or not. To them, it was worth every penny.
abigail.casalla

Con

Yes, a child can bring their parents happiness and laughter in exchange of their tender loving care. However, think about the orphans. The orphans sure can bring happiness and light in their adoptive parents lives. If this development and research goes on, what's going to happen to those orphans? Are they going to just grow up and die at the orphanage houses without being given the chance to be cared for? They may not be blood related to the couple, however, once they get to know them, they would totally forget about the fact that they are adopted. They would treat them and love them as their own and this new technology would take that chance away from those orphans.

IVF technology also gives the parents and doctors the power to play God. Reproduction of a new human life is a miracle. It shouldn't be taken for granted by science or by anyone else. Their time spending on developing test tube humans should instead be spent on finding the cure for other diseases. Also this technology is lowering the position of human kind. What used to be a miracle of life can now be easily made in test tubes and that pretty much lowers the humanity's value in this universe.
Debate Round No. 2
Mdelgado9001

Pro

You speak of diseases, and how we should spend the time used in In Vitro Fertilization to cure them. But imagine if we could stop the disease before it is even prevalent in the child. By using genetic screening on the embryos, we can identify which ones have the chromosomal abnormalities. Based on Advanced Fertility, an average of 50% of embryos have some genetic abnormality such as an extra chromosome, which could lead to down syndrome. A good reason for this is the advancement of the human race by taking out the bad genes from the gene pool. It could also end up helping the parents by removing the possibility of heart break when their child passes on because of complications. This would just up the chances of raising a perfectly healthy child, which is what every parent want.
You also mention the orphans, which supposedly spend their whole lives in the orphanage. This is not the case, as they leave when they are 18. The cost to adopt one is almost double that of IVF, so if the parent would rather choose between their own flesh and blood, or for a child they barely know, they would choose their child before others
abigail.casalla

Con

So, Science is trying to achieve perfection. Imagine if this whole new technological development leads to recreating a human being so perfect that they may be used to start cloning a whole army. That would be such a great disaster for mankind. Point taken that chances of chromosomal abnormalities would decrease, however, in a news article from the The Telegraph, it states that test-tube babies are at greater risk in health defects like heart problems and digestive abnormalities compared to those who were naturally born. Nothing in this world can be completely sterilized, so there are chances that a microorganism may inhabit the embryos and sometimes may worsen the female's pregnancy.

Going back to the number of embryos developed in the petri dish, the legal number of embryos that are allowed to be implanted in the uterus is a maximum of five to prevent excessive births, so what happens to the extra embryos that were formed? They'll just be thrown away? Majority of the world populations are Christians who believe that once a sperm and egg joins together, it's a new beginning of life. Even other religions respect that idea so those embryos that were believed to be a "reject" would just be thrown away. Seeing it in the eyes of those who believe that it's a beginning of life shows murder just like abortion.

If the embryos aren't thrown away, and were all implanted in the female's womb, and all were fertile, that would lead to a few birth defects due to the lack of some nutrients. A woman has her own limit and too much may just kill her.
Debate Round No. 3
Mdelgado9001

Pro

Yes there is a limit to how many embryos that the human body can support. The reason that many are prepared in advance is in case the first fertilization fails, and the parental units still want to try for a child. The rest are frozen for future use, and some are even given to parents who can not have children naturally.
The number for most IVF pregnancies use lower counts of eggs, such as 2-3, which will not put too much strain on the woman's body. If this round fails, then they come back to have another round of eggs implanted, all the way until they are finished with the eggs collected from the first trial. They can choose to stop, or continue with the same process in a hope to have a child.
As for the frozen eggs, one can compare them to seeds, as they are preserved for future. Please do not regard this statement as calling children crops, all I am trying to say is that if the pregnancy is successful, but something still happens to end the child's life, like if the child is born, but dies because of a car accident, the parents can try again, like seeds for the future.
The amount of eggs able to be implanted into the human body is already regulated, especially after a certain mother had 8 eggs implanted, which all survived to labor, and are still alive today. The amount of strain placed on the body during normal birth is immense. Imagine feeling that 8 times. This is the reason that it has high regulation, as to protect the woman's life.
abigail.casalla

Con

Those new seeds won't be able to replace the memories that were created with the first child. A human life is something that is just simply irreplaceable. If people were to put in mind that there would always be a backup child waiting for them, wouldn't the present child just lose his or her importance? Those embryos that are being frozen and kept away, what are the chances of them developing issues while awaiting for them to be used? If the parents do decide to not have more children, those embryos would just be thrown away. Life would just be thrown away.

Imagine each couple reproducing eight children on one single birth, imagine what would happen to the world's population. Population nowadays often arises complications due to land and/or food sources and what if giving birth to that many children was made possible? In the past, genocides occurred due to the desire to lower down the population of those who were unwanted. Overpopulation may and would trigger that idea of killing thousands or maybe even millions of people once again.
Debate Round No. 4
Mdelgado9001

Pro

The reality is that there is no right a wrong way to bring a child into this world. Who knows, whenever you are out in public, you might run into someone who was conceived through the use of IVF, but you will not notice because nothing went wrong with their development. They are just like you and I; Human. The memories of those parents will remain there, but they will remember the joy that child brought them, not the pain.
The process is actually quite simple when you take a close look at it. First , the woman is given a daily dose of hormones to stimulate follicle production and to signal to the body to start releasing eggs. Second, comes the extraction of the eggs by micro pipettes, which are then mixed with sperm from the father to begin forming embryos. They are left to incubate, and a few days to a week later, they identified as having a serious chromosomal issue or not. The healthy ones are implanted, with the rest of the healthy ones being frozen, and the unhealthy ones being disposed of properly. The woman is given more hormones to encourage the growth of the uterus lining, and the embryos are implanted. A few months later, a child is either born, or the pregnancy never happens. The process can then be repeated or stopped whenever they want.
Again, the chance of it being successful is not the best, but the first mobile phone did not have wireless connection. Over time, the procedure will get better, safer, and cheaper than it ever was before. To quote a movie about choosing genes, "life finds a way", and with this procedure, we are giving parents the chance to have a child that they otherwise would not get. Who knows, maybe test tube babies, as you called them, will become the next fad, or maybe even artificial wombs. Every thing starts from somewhere, and artificial reproduction has to start from something. This will one day be the key to a healthier world, with no disorders or genetic diseases. All we can do is wait.
abigail.casalla

Con

The In-Vitro Fertilization development in the medical field would always bring dilemmas up in the surface. Many might see this as something that's acceptable to today's society, ergo, many also would still see this as ruining the whole concept of the "Miracle of Life". To find out that he or she were created in a test tube and that there were chances that they were just supposed to be thrown away if not needed, isn't really the good news anyone would like to hear.

People overtime always find new ways to change something natural to something manmade. From lakes to test tube babies. There will always be those with plans to take full advantage of this new development. More than likely that one day, someone would use this development to reproduce and start creating an army without worrying about the number of death casualties due to the knowledge of having "extra embryos" to use. Living a long healthy life is one of the things that many people dream of. However, what if someone discovers through this development the possibility of recreating someone who can live eternally. Those people can either bring prosperity to the new world or a complete disaster.
Debate Round No. 5
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