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Ice is the best bot in gunbound

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Started: 1/26/2010 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Ishida52134

Pro

For people who play gunbound, I believe that Ice is the best mobile.
kiwimelon

Con

Yay! This is my first debate and I'll give it a good try.

For readers who are not familiar with the topic, Gunbound is a cannon-based internet game where players pick mobile units to battle each other in single or team battles. Each unit has its own strengths and weaknesses in attack, defense, energy (hit points), mobility, and delay. See: http://gunbound.net... for more information.

The word best can be defined in one way as being more advantageous or the highest standing. Ice has more disadvantages than advantages and cannot be considered as being the best bot in Gunbound. Its attack, defense, energy, mobility, and delay can all be matched or beat out by many other bots.

According to Gunbound's website, Ice's advantages are strength and effective team play with other hitting-type mobiles. Despite what is stated about its strength, its attack is a 4 out of the possible 6. Therefore, in terms of strength, it would still lose against many others, the greatest two being Knight and Dragon. Being effective in team play means it is dependent on others, which limits its efficiency in single battles and reliability to win when teammates have been killed.

Other disadvantages include poor defensive ability, wide hit areas due to its large body, and two different shooting point of its weapon. In addition to its personal low defense, Ice is a bionic mobile. Bionic mobiles have the worst armor protection, making it weak against laser weapons. Its large body makes it an easier target, as well as limits mobility. If someone had a lock on the target, it would have little ability to move elsewhere to avoid being hit. Given that Ice is not the strongest mobile, a strong defensive shield is needed to ensure survival. However, Ice does not provide the defense needed to survive the hits long enough to deal enough damage of its own. Its two shooting points of its weapon makes it hard to lock onto targets. When switching between shot 1 and 2, the angles and power need to be readjusted to hit the same spot.

With so many weaknesses, Ice is a poor choice for a mobile without a great team to back it.

http://dictionary.reference.com...
http://gunbound.net...
Debate Round No. 1
Ishida52134

Pro

lol my first debate too :D
ps. i made this debate just to learn more about ice o.o

ok so, i agree that mobiles are "best" according to different perspectives, BUT i certainly do not agree that ice loses out to other mobiles. Truly, i believe that all mobiles are the best. Although Ice has may have low defense according to you, it really does not apply for me. I am usually the last to die with ice and even if it has low defense, the skill heal can easily make up for that.

next, between the two shots, i do not see a great difference in accuracy either. for example, i had the same angle and same power using shot 2 on 2 mobiles stuck on a small rock and it hit them. Then, i switched to shot 1 to bunge them and it hit them in the same spot. Although shot 2, since it comes out from the trunk, may be a problem when ure stuck in a low ground, it does not really change where it lands.

furthermore, i do not know where you have played this or not ( i quit this game 2 years ago cuz it was boring as hell and there were lots of idiotic people in there), but when looking for a decent mobile that fits you good, you should not only look at the stats. Ice is a great example of this. on the surface, it may seem to be crappy mobile. It is not good for 1vs1 or 2vs2, but it is one of the best mobiles in team games. It's shot 2 can reduce the opponents defense by 5% and which makes it the most frequently used shot for ice. It's super shot is useless, but it's shot 1 can also bunge pretty well. Therefore, ice makes a great team player helping the other teammates inflict more damage unto the enemy.
kiwimelon

Con

Yes, I have played the game before and I agree that it did get boring. If you want to find out more about Ice, the information is all on the website.

"Truly, i believe that all mobiles are the best"

Given the definition of "best," I don't believe your statement makes sense. How can they all be in the highest standing? I am not claiming that Ice is a bad bot for you or anything about individual preferences. Your personal experiences do not count as evidence for your statement, especially seeing as the site provides technical information on each tank.

Even if a player has fully mastered a mobile, it is only as strong as its stats allow. According to the game site, each bot has specific abilities, advantages of type, advantages of weaponry, and an overall stats score. Using all this information, the tank with the greatest potential capabilities is Dragon [See the Mobile Info tab]. Dragon is tied with Knight for the highest possible attack in the game (level 6, as opposed to Ice's level 4). Its Defense also trumps Ice, starting at level 4 rather than Ice's level 3. Under the Weapons tab, it shows that Dragon uses an explosive weapon. It is stated that explosive weapons have no handicap over any other bots, giving it the widest range in terms of damage potential.

You said that Ice would not lose to other mobiles. Under the Natural Enemies tab on the site I've provided, you'll see that 3 other mobiles have a 5-10% advantage in attack and defense against Ice. For example, Frog is effective against Ice and Aduka and Raon are very effective against it.

You admitted that Ice is not good for 1vs1 or 2vs2 battles. How can that make it the best bot? A mobile that would be strong in any type of game would be superior. You also said its super shot is useless. In other words, the shot that is meant to be the bot's trump card is useless. This clearly cannot be considered the best bot in the game when there are others that are stronger, have less weaknesses, and fewer limitations.

http://gunbound.net...
Debate Round No. 2
Ishida52134

Pro

Okay so just because your are dumb in global history and smart in math does that mean you're dumb? Same thing for gunbound. Just because Ice is bad in 1vs1 and 2vs2 doesn't make it bad since it is good in team battles. You never talked about the fact that Ice can diminish the opponent's defense by 5% with it's shot 2. Does it say that on the stats? Furthermore, ALL mobiles are the same. For example, turtle and boomer have high attacks, while other mobiles have high defense. And you should know that you can not base your opinions on a mobile primarily on the stats that they say. You should read the individual guides on each mobile in order to find out the special characteristics of each one. To sum it up, every mobile has its own advantages and weaknesses.
kiwimelon

Con

If you were dumb in History, English, and Science but were smart in Math, then it's safe to assume you are not the best/highest ranking student. All bots are NOT the same. The stats prove that they are different and, all else being equal, DO determine who is the best. Not only have I provided you with these, I've also discussed the strengths of their types and weaponry. All bots do have their advantages and disadvantages, but some have better advantages and fewer disadvantages. All in all, Ice loses out to better bots, specifically Dragon.

You've yet to say why Ice is the best bot aside from its shot 2. In regards to that, its shot 2 lowering 5% defense is good, but doesn't help all that much because Ice's defense is lower than many other bots. This means you must connect with multiple hits in order to just break even with your opponent's defense. Also, shot 2 has a high delay, making the player wait longer to shoot again. The bot you've chosen can not take as many hits and will die before it gets to shoot enough for that -5% defense to make any difference.

For now, your job is to use the facts of the game (not your personal preferences) to prove that Ice is superior to Dragon and all other mobiles available. Until then, link me to this individual guide with their special characteristics you mentioned and I will still show you that there is a better bot than Ice.
Debate Round No. 3
Ishida52134

Pro

Dude, are you seriously kidding me? Did you ever even freaking play this game before? Every mobile has their own pros and cons. They also perform differently on different terrains and wind levels. Ice is one of the best mobiles in team games due to its ability to decrease its opponent's defense by 5%. Its shot 1 can also bunge good and has less delay. And you CANNOT base your goddamn argument just on some dumb statistics. THEY DON'T MEAN ANYTHING. You have obviously never played this game before because you do not know that each mobile have their own special effects and things. Next, dragon is NOT the best. If you know how to use your mobile, then it is good. If you don't, then it isn't. And you can also look up this guide here to find out for yourself that Ice is superior in team battles.
http://www.gamefaqs.com...
kiwimelon

Con

The 3 following quotes are taken from the site you have provided me. Perhaps you didn't read it thoroughly.

"Now, Super Shot is all but useless. It only reduces 5% defense, and only if a mobile is directly damaged by it (similar to shot 2). With this change, Super Shot should almost never be used, because now it is basically Shot 2 with an extra 400 delay."

"The Mammoth is easily one of the best bots to use in Team games, not so stable in 1v1 or 2v2 games because it thrives on a long and healthy match, not one that is quickly over."

"The Mammoth is generally regarded as one of the best tanks (by "tank" I mean a sort of punching bag) in the game, second only to Turtle. He can take the most damage HP-wise, but is somewhat lacking in pure defense to make up for that fact."

The Gunbound website shows Ice is inferior to multiple bots. So does this one. Your own source names another mobile, Turtle, as the best bot in the game. Why does every source provided so far disagree with your claim that Ice is the best bot? More importantly, why do you believe your own personal experiences with Ice are more important than those of experts, specifically the creators of the game?

Your only points are that ice has a special ability (lowering defense) and is good at team matches. If we were debating that ice is a useful bot in team battles, then you would have a point. However, we are debating whether Ice is the best bot in the game. What you still haven't done is explain why that makes him better than every other bot in the game. Turtle also has a special ability (split-shot) and is good at team matches. Does that make him the best bot? All tanks have their own unique qualities and specialties, so declaring the ones you prefer as the best does not make a case. These are all matters of opinion. The facts available are those on the Gunbound website, where it shows that better bots, like Dragon and Turtle, exist.
Debate Round No. 4
Ishida52134

Pro

Just because Ice may be inferior to other mobiles in defense doesn't make it overall bad.
kiwimelon

Con

You've negated the topic of debate. If there is no "best" mobile, your initial argument is not true. If there is a best mobile, every source provided proves it to be something other than Ice. You've ignored all of my arguments and forfeited the debate.

Thank you readers. Please vote for me.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by kiwimelon 7 years ago
kiwimelon
thank you for the vote. although i must say, it was rather funny seeing him slowly start to lose his cool. and his outburst was hilarious. he got so mad. lol.
Posted by Cherymenthol 7 years ago
Cherymenthol
while at first I was keeping track of arguments, which CON clearly won, I decided to skim the full debate where I saw PRO's conduct and arguments begin to slip, until at his last speech when he completely blew it and was rude and quite vulgar. So because of this all points will go to CON.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
Wow, that comment is littered with errors. The excitement of a Gunbound topic got to me haha.
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
Ice is my favorite, too, but this depends how you define "best." If we're talk about damage alone, Boomer and Turtle probably have it beat. Ice doesn't require a high angle to get full damage, though, so it does have that. Still, you could make a case for almost every bot depending on the circumstances. I'd suggest elaborating on your case.
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