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If Hitler wasn't anti-Semetic, would he be the greatest leader of all time?

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 8/20/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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GetOuttaMyPaint

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With an army nearly 16,000,000 men strong, and a surplus of resources, Hitler could have easily taken over mainland Europe, and possibly England. He rebuilt Germany into a feared, militarized power. He created jobs, and he gave the German people back their pride. What else could you ask from a great leader than that?
Sarra

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For the purposes of this debate, we will be ignoring the anti-Semitic nature of Hitler. I believe wiki sites like Wikipedia are not reliable sources of information.

Definitions:
Anti-Semitic (n) One who discriminates against or who is hostile toward or prejudiced against Jews.

C1 Hitler would have still arrested and brutally murdered his political opponents.

Most of us know how Hitler came to power. He was elected in a popular vote. Most of us know that he helped form the dictatorship that was Nazi Germany. Fewer of us know that almost 80,000 Germans who were perceived to have politically dissented from Nazism rounded up and killed. Whether these individuals actually dissented was unimportant. The manners of their deaths range from court proceedings to concentration camps to being in medical experiments [1].

C2 Hitler would have still had death camps.

As mentioned above, 25,000 political prisoners made their way to death camps. In addition to political prisoners, gypsies, homosexuals, disabled people, PoWs, and anyone deemed undesirable by the Nazis or Hitler.

Hitler had knowledge of the workings of these death camps. He knew that people would be led into showers where acid would pour out and burn people"s skin off until death. He knew that people were taken by rail cars to near rivers, linked together with handcuffs, one shot and both the dead and living bodies being pushed into rivers and lakes as a method of saving bullets. These might be gruesome things to read, but we must consider what happened when analyzing whether Hitler was a "great" leader.

Roughly 5 million non-Jews died in concentration camps. Illness and starvation were two other significant causes of death in concentration camps. The bodies would be burned after death, so the Germans could collect and melt down the gold teeth [2].

C3 Hitler would have still experimented on people while they were still alive.

Some of the people that would have gone to concentration camps instead went to Nazi medical facilities. Quite frankly, discussing this one disgusts me to a degree greater than anything I have experienced in my life. If you are weak of heart, do not view the following sites. More information regarding Nazi medical experience can be found in [3] and [4].

C4 Hitler would have still lost the war.

Events on the macro level would not have been significantly different if the Jewish people had been spared. The demographics of the concentration camps did not play a factor in the battles, tactics, or strategies of combat during the war. Hitler had an army of around 16 million soldiers. They did not have a surplus of supplies at the start of the war. Most of their supplies were acquired from conquered people. They were able to conquer large parts of Europe. They were eventually beaten back and they lost. Hitler lost the war mainly due to overextension and not conscripting people of conquered lands.

The only macro significant difference (and the causality of this difference) from Hitler not being anti-sematic would be that the Nazi regime would not have stolen an estimated $10-15 billion from the Jews (in 1938 standards of money) [3]. A lack of this money would have meant less resources to the troops and potentially ending the war slightly sooner than it happened.

With almost no macro significant difference, Hilter would be viewed in almost exact same light today.

Sources
[1] http://www.ushmm.org...
[2] https://www.pinterest.com...
[3] http://remember.org...
[4] http://www.topsecretwriters.com...
[5] http://jcpa.org...
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Pro forfeited. Vote Con :D
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Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by PericIes 1 year ago
PericIes
Hitler had leadership skills. He was just a gigantic douchebag.
Posted by ADHDavid 1 year ago
ADHDavid
I think con wins. XD
Posted by Sarra 1 year ago
Sarra
...and I quote a comment left for me in my profile:

"like ask of you if you support me nazi party I will be make in political? If you dont support of me you are nazi and reprots you to german police. Thanks you of support have day of nice."

....what???
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