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GeorgeCarlinWorshipper
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Korashk
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If Uchiha Itachi were to battle Uzumaki Naruto, Uchiha Itachi would not be defeated.

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Started: 7/11/2010 Category: Miscellaneous
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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GeorgeCarlinWorshipper

Pro

Hello, all. This is George Carlin Worshipper with my first debate in about half a year. Let's hope this goes well. I wish Korashk luck and hope for a good debate.

As stated in the resolution, the subject of this debate will be the outcome of a theoretical battle between Uchiha Itachi and Uzumaki Naruto of the anime/manga series "Naruto". It is the job of the instigator, myself, to prove that Itachi would not be defeated by Naruto in this battle. The contender, Korashk, must prevent me from doing this, most likely by proving that Naruto would be victorious.

The first round will only be used for specifying the terms of the battle and resolving definitions. Arguments will begin in Round 2.

I would like to begin by defining a few central elements of the debate:

For the purposes of this debate, Uchiha Itachi [1] will be taken from his state just before his death in Chapter 393, page 16 [2] and restored to an optimal physical condition. This means that he will be in a perfectly healthy living state, with Chakra levels restored to maximum, cured of the terminal disease he suffered from, and with his eyesight restored. He will possess all of his memories up to the point of his death. He will also be given all of his standard equipment, meaning his Akatsuki cloak, ninja tools, etc.

Uzumaki Naruto will be in his state as of Chapter 499, page 16 [3]. He will no longer be in his trance. He will not have his pre-prepared Senjutsu Kage Bunshin [4] available for his use, as he has used them both and has not made any more since they were used up.

I nominate that the battle take place on a beach beside a forest. If my opponent wishes to contest this battlefield, he may do so, and we will arrive on an agreement before Round 2 via Private Message.

For the purposes of this debate, wikis will be treated as valid sources due to the high number of sources cited for each page and their convenience in terms of research. This decision is for the convenience of each debater.

Due to the complete lack of information available on the subject, I ask that Uchiha Itachi's "gift" to Naruto [5] be disregarded for the purposes of this debate. This subject will take up undue amounts of time and its nature is virtually impossible to prove with the available evidence.

For the purposes of the battle, the two will begin standing six yards away from each other on the beach, situated so that neither the ocean nor the forest is to either combatant's back. The two will be facing each other.

I look forward to this debate and wish my opponent luck.

[1] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[2] http://www.onemanga.com...
[3] http://www.onemanga.com...
[4] http://www.onemanga.com... Pgs. 6-9
[5] http://www.onemanga.com... Information can also be found in [1] in the first paragraph of the "Hunt for Itachi" section.
Korashk

Con

I accept most of my opponent's terms and hope that he allows for either possibility of the one we're currently negociating via PM in his argument.
Debate Round No. 1
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper

Pro

I would like to begin by thanking Korashk for accepting this debate and my terms.

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I believe we have resolved the negotiation Korashk mentioned. If he is unclear as to the resolution, I ask that he PM me so that we can clear things up.

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I affirm the resolution "If Uchiha Itachi were to battle Uzumaki Naruto, Uchiha Itachi would not be defeated".

I would like to begin my arguments.

ARG1: My first argument is that Itachi's greater intelligence would allow him to outsmart Naruto, defeating him with superior strategy, knowledge, and intuition.
According to the Third Databook, Uchiha Itachi's Intelligence has a rating of 5 [6], the same level as Shikamaru Nara [7]. However, Itachi's intelligence may, in fact, be "off the charts", as another shinobi, Hatake Kakashi, also has an intelligence rating of 5 [8] and was praised as being "smarter than Shikamaru Nara" [9]. Itachi "easily defeated" Kakashi [10], showing that he is more capable than Kakashi. Considering that Itachi is nine years younger than Kakashi [11] [12] and defeated Kakashi and two other Konoha Jonin while fighting without "even half his strength" [13], it can be inferred that Itachi is a more intelligent and capable shinobi. Thus, Itachi's true intelligence merits a ranking of over 5 on the "stats" scale.
Naruto's intelligence, on the other hand, only has a rating of 3 [14]. Itachi's intelligence is clearly far greater than Naruto's, being greater than two shinobi (Shikamaru and Kakashi) who have intelligence ratings nearly double Naruto's. While Naruto often uses strategies involving deception and misdirection [15], Itachi himself has displayed great proficiency with misdirection, using it in combination with his great speed to fool shinobi as capable as Kakashi [16]. The fact that Itachi himself uses misdirection in combat means he would be far less likely to fall for Naruto's attempts at it.
In conclusion, Itachi's superior intelligence would allow him to outsmart Naruto.

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ARG2: Itachi's superior speed would allow him to defeat Naruto.
Despite the fact that the 3rd Databook was written at a time in the series when Itachi was suffering a terminal disease and had diminished abilities [17] [18], his speed still merited a 5/5 ranking [6]. Naruto, on the other hand, only has a speed ranking of 3.5 [14]. When fighting with less than half of his power, Itachi still easily outsped Kakashi [16], who has a speed rating of 4-4.5 [8]. I apologize for being unable to determine which; I was unable to locate information on the publication dates of the 1st and 2nd Databooks, which would allow me to determine this.
If Kakashi's speed of 4-4.5 was so easily outclassed by an Itachi fighting with less than half power, it can be inferred that Itachi's true speed ranking would be very high. This conclusion can be reached through the following process:
K = Kakashi's Speed; I = Itachi's speed
K = 4 or 4.5
I/2 > K
I/2 > 4.5 (Though we cannot determine whether Kakashi's speed at the time of their battle was 4 or 4.5, the difference in their speed was great enough that this can be inferred.)
I > 9

Thus, Itachi's true speed level was over double Naruto's. Even though Naruto's speed is increased by Sage Mode [19], Naruto has been in Sage mode long enough for him to defeat the Kyuubi, remove its chakra, and hear at least part of Kushina's story [20]. This means that Naruto's Sage Mode will not last for much longer. Itachi can use his Sharingan's predictive abilities [21] in combination with his speed to evade Naruto's Sage attacks for the duration of the Mode. Once the Mode expires, Naruto would most likely attempt to dispel his Senjutsu clone so as to re-enter Sage Mode. However, to do so, he would have to either summon the clone or summon Fukasaku or Shima to dispel it for him [22]. To do either of these would require Naruto to remain still for at least a moment, allowing Itachi to hit him with Pupil Technique: Destiny Threat [23]. The extreme pain and damage the technique causes would allow Itachi to close the distance between him and Naruto enough to seal Naruto with the Totsuka Sword [24] or render him comatose with Tsukuyomi [25]. Tricking Naruto into making eye contact would be easy enough at this time; Itachi could place Naruto under a motion-induced Genjutsu akin to Ephemeral [26] and use the illusion to trick Naruto into making eye contact, potentially by disguising himself as an ally or friend.
In conclusion, Itachi's superior speed would allow him to avoid Naruto's attacks and kill him.

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ARG3: Itachi's abilities prevent Naruto's summoned beasts from being a threat.
First of all, through use of Destiny Threat [23], Itachi could kill Naruto the moment he attempts to summon any toads, as use of Kuchiyose requires a stationary position [22]. If Naruto attempts to make clones to summon for him, Itachi would still likely be able to hit him with the jutsu, as Naruto is often shown standing still when using Kage Bunshin [27][28] (More evidence for this claim can be provided). Even if Naruto attempts to use the jutsu while moving and manages to avoid being hit by Destiny Threat, Itachi could subdue the summons with the Sharingan. Itachi's younger brother, Sasuke, hypnotized the great snake Manda with ease despite the fact that he had suffered severe injuries and expended virtually all of his chakra [29]. Itachi has far more experience than Sasuke with the Sharingan, having mastered it 13 years ago [30]. Thus, it can be inferred that Itachi's skill with the Sharingan is greater. At this point in the fight, Itachi would have more than enough energy left to use Genjutsu to either incapacitate the Toads or turn them against each other and Naruto.
In conclusion, Itachi's abilities prevent Naruto's summoned beasts from being a threat.

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To summarize my arguments:
1. Itachi's superior intelligence would allow him to outsmart Naruto.
2. Itachi's superior speed would allow him to avoid Naruto's attacks and kill him.
3. Itachi's abilities prevent Naruto's summoned beasts from being a threat.

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I would like to thank Korashk for the debate and the viewers for their time.

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SOURCES:

For the viewers' convenience, I have linked to specific sections of the articles.

[6] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[7] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[8] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[9] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[10] http://naruto.wikia.com... (The only time Itachi has been shown defeating a powerful group of shinobi in the series was against Kakashi, Kurenai, and Asuma; as a result, it can be inferred that the statement about a "group" relates to that battle)
[11] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[12] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[13] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[14] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[15] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[16] http://www.onemanga.com... Pgs. 9-10
[17] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[18] http://www.onemanga.com... It can be inferred that, since the 3rd Databook was published mere weeks after the time when Itachi was terminally ill, Itachi's abilities when the book was written were impaired.
[19] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[20] http://www.onemanga.com...
[21] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[22] http://www.onemanga.com... Pgs. 6-8
[23] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[24] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[25] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[26] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[27] http://www.onemanga.com...
[28] http://www.onemanga.com...
[29] http://naruto.wikia.com...
[30] http://naruto.wikia.com...
Korashk

Con

Ya...you have really thought this out and honestly, there's no way I can think of an argument that you couldn't counter. So I'll be forfeiting. Just post an acknowledgement and this can get over quickly. Though I'll be truely forfeiting the last round as to not clog up the front page.

If any voters give me points I'll find a way to slap you through the internet.
Debate Round No. 2
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper

Pro

Thanks to Korashk for accepting my debate and for making the effort to make his arguments, as well as for notifying me of his forfeit rather than letting the debate time out. I look forward to potentially debating with you another time.
Korashk

Con

I forfeit, don't vote for me.
Debate Round No. 3
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper

Pro

So... anybody watch Warehouse 13? It's a pretty good show. Not as good as Burn Notice, but still pretty good.
Korashk

Con

Warehouse 13 is a decent show. I don't like it all that much, but I'll watch it if it's on. Burn Notice is also a great show, one of my favorites that's currently running.

Remember, don't vote for me.
Debate Round No. 4
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper

Pro

Burn Notice is my favorite show on TV right now. Warehouse 13 is decent; I would've stopped watching after the third episode of season 1 or so if Claudia hadn't shown up. It's not just that she's hot, though that is part of it; she interacts with the other characters in ways that make the show more entertaining.
Michael Westen would beat the crap out of James Bond. That is all.
Korashk

Con

Korashk forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
49 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by Loserboi 7 years ago
Loserboi
really... naruto beat itachi??? Itachi can probably beat a kage by himself
Posted by lovelife 7 years ago
lovelife
Lol that wasn't what confused . I guess it was the length of it. idk I'm one of the lesser intellectually inclined people of this site, so maybe what yu did wasn't as confusing as it seemed to me lol.
Posted by GeorgeCarlinWorshipper 7 years ago
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper
Sorry. Kinda confusing. I basically adapted the transitive property of inequality to anime characters. Itachi > Kakashi, Kakashi > Shika, Itachi > Shika. Ah, well. Glad to know I did well, I guess.
Posted by lovelife 7 years ago
lovelife
Lmao that made me laugh. Round 2 made my head hurt until con forfeited (don't blame him)
Posted by GeorgeCarlinWorshipper 7 years ago
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper
Happy to have helped. :)
Posted by LeafRod 7 years ago
LeafRod
damn, this debate completely revived my interest in the show. i stopped watching after all those fillers (and the dub was cancelled on cartoon network a while ago) but i've watched like 30 episodes in the last few days. no joke.
Posted by Kinesis 7 years ago
Kinesis
Ha ha. It'd be hilarious if that's how all the Naruto characters talked. Someone should do an abridged series where they do that.
Posted by GeorgeCarlinWorshipper 7 years ago
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper
:)

"BADASU MASAFAKA NO JUTSUUUUUUUU!!!!!!!!!!"

I'm part Japanese, so I'm allowed to make that joke.
Posted by Kinesis 7 years ago
Kinesis
I can see there's little point arguing the issue then. You win.
Posted by GeorgeCarlinWorshipper 7 years ago
GeorgeCarlinWorshipper
Very difficult technique to learn. Thus far, only Itachi, Minato, A, Killerbee, Hashirama, and Tobirama have been able to use it. It's the only ninjutsu Aizen is able to use, and he's a master of it.
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