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Ozzz169
Pro (for)
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Stranger1221
Con (against)

If everything in the bible is true you still MUST reject it.

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Started: 12/31/2016 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Ozzz169

Pro

The Year is 2017, you decide to take an extended vacation to a remote area in the middle east, you are so sick of being a slave to your phone you and a group of 12 friends leave them behind. The people are largely illiterate but you do go through small towns, however they don't have any advanced technology.

You run into Omar, it is said he was born of a virgin. He does all the miracles that Jesus did and you witnessed them all first hand, he is murdered raised from the dead, and ascends into heaven.

Do you Worship Omar as the new Messiah?

I would argue that no matter the miracles that the person performs, you still can not worship him as God. You still have to evaluate the argument the person made and the circumstances.

A) Is God a megalomaniac? I would argue that demanding worship is, and that an omni-benevolent entity would not demand that they be worshiped.

B) Why did God come in the form of a man to you in the remote area of the world while you were on vacation with no way to record the events accurately? It would make much more sense if his goal was to let his people know his will, to show up in the most educated densely populated areas of the world as the message would be recorded more accurately by more sources.

C) Would you expect anyone to believe you when you went home and told them? or would they think you were crazy? how about 2000 years later when your written book was translated many times over and changed many times through the years? I would argue that the reason it is still believed is because it was a populist uprising that could not be put down, and so it was co-opted, by the church and then used to control the masses by religious rather than political power.

D) After seeing Omar you wonder why he did not give you any great insights in which you could have added to your book in order to prove it was inspired by a higher order entity. If it was 2000 years ago, he could have informed you that the earth actually goes around the sun, that there are billions and billion of galaxies out there and we are but one, and so on and so forth. If you were to go back even 200 years you could include so much knowledge that has been learned that it would be easy to prove you have advanced knowledge of the future. Why did this not happen?
In fact there are errors made that should not have been.

E) If God wanted us to believe only what he said through Omar, why not then simply cut a mountain in half and inscribe His wishes on the side, in all languages present and future, as it would take no effort at all for an omnipotent being to do.

F) Why have so many passage things in the bible that could be edited and would make it better? You could make a very strong argument that the bible is Blasphemy against God, as throughout the bible it puts human characteristics on Him, and in many cases makes him out to be a deranged psychopath.

I will end there, but sorry Omar your argument was weak and therefore we must reject it, even though you did miraculous things.
Stranger1221

Con

I disagree. A Omar is not the son of god. B He didn't die to absolve our sins.
Debate Round No. 1
Ozzz169

Pro

This is clearly an analogy, omar = jesus and you = witness, and everything in the new testament happens in front of you. re-read what the debate is, and try to put forth a counter argument, or stop wasting my time please.
Stranger1221

Con

I read it, however, even if he did this those things he isn't the son of God who died to save and absolve us from our sins.
Debate Round No. 2
Ozzz169

Pro

Then you agree with me, that you must reject the bible, if you need it phrased differently... you fall into a time machine, and end up in 33 ad or so, and witness all of the new testament.... and the case is as presented...
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Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 1 year ago
FollowerofChrist1955
You should attend this debate:
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Posted by Ozzz169 1 year ago
Ozzz169
I think you should see a doctor, goordin, I think your having a stroke... or at least for your sake I hope that is the case.
Posted by GoOrDin 1 year ago
GoOrDin
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intended or not, Atheism reinforces the perspectives of womanizers, corruption, self-righteousness, perverts, conceit, negligence and Bigotry! Hate for IDIOTS WHo can't comprehend THEISM!
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Posted by jo154676 1 year ago
jo154676
Not sure if this is a proper comparison
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