If gay marriage is fully legalised in the united states, then so should Polygamy
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If Gay marriage is legalised in all states of America, then so should Polygamy.
I will only focus on Polygamy in this debate and not trail off into bestiality or the marriage of inanimate objects (which I heard has happened in Japan).
Imagine that right now, homosexual marriages were legal and fully allowed in ALL states of America. But that was it, the government decided to change the laws to only that extent. What about people who wish to marry not just one person, but two because he loves them both so much? For example, a man who is in love with a girl who has many things in common with him and at the same time, loves his own childhood friend. He finds that the two get along well together and that they consent to the idea of the three of them in a marriage and living with each other.
He knows he cannot have such a marriage because the laws in America only permit monogamy. One day, he finds out that gay marriage is legalised in all states of America because of several protests and the agreement of the majority of America that gay marriage should be legalised. He thinks that since gays can marry and that is against the status quo, he can go marry his two friends.
Of course since the government went through such trouble rewriting the laws, they do not let him commit polygyny. His mind is confused because he has to choose between the two friends and he breaks the heart of the girl he does not choose to marry. In the end, 'unconditional' love cannot be practiced by the man and in his whole life he is always thinking about the other friend and feels pain and longing in his heart.
My resolution is this: If Gay marriage is fully legalised and allowed in all states of America right now, then Polygamy should also be allowed to be practiced in all states as well.
I will provide further arguments in the next round.
1. Round one is for acceptance. This is so that we have an equal amount of time to post arguments in the next round. I will have to recreate my arguments in the next round in three days and you will have the same time to refute.
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3. Con agrees to argue that Polygamy should be illegal even if gay marriage was legalised.
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5. Please vote fairly and critically. Even one spelling mistake counts. Weight both arguments and see which is more persuasive, which you agree with, and how well the arguments are backed up.
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I look forward to an exciting and enjoyable debate!
I will be arguing that simply because homosexuality becomes a law, this does not mean that polygamy should be legalised, because that's a foolish chain of logic to endorse. I think that your analogies also need work, but we'll look into that in the next round.
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Well I am not really sure what you would be able to refute since I had not posted any official arguments. But, nevertheless, I still apologise for the delay. Hopefully this debate can end satisfyingly in the next 2 rounds.
Also, thank you for accepting the debate! You have my deepest appreciation and gratitude.
A = Argument
R = Refutation
A1: If Gay marriage is legalised, then why not Polygamy?
I accept the notion that polygamy should remain illegal, but only if the government allows just monogamy. However, same-sex marriage is illegal as well in most states of America and if all of a sudden, it is legalised by the sheer number of votes by the public, then why can't Polygamy be legalised as well? It is not fair to say that same-sex marriage be unbanned, but then suddenly reject the idea of Polgamy that is also banned.
Homosexual marriage goes against the norm or the law but the number of states that are slowly accepting this idea is increasing. And, what if one day, after all states legalise Gay marriage, another new form of protests comes along. A new group of people demanding Polygamy to be allowed. They will see that gay marriage (a banned practice) had been legalised, and then they will think, well why isn't Polygamy legalised? What are some of the reasons the states are against Polygamy? If it for religious reasons, then why is Gay marriage legalised?
So unless there is more reason to ban Polygamy than there is to ban Gay marriage, there seems to be no reason not to legalise it. Therefore, Polygamy should be legalised when the people, or even a tiny fraction of the people, wish to marry more than one spouse.
A2: Gay marriage votes and Polygamy votes
One of the reasons why Homosexual marriage was legalised in some of 16 states of America such as Maine was because of the popular votes by the public. This is according to the Huffington post. (1)
"MAINE - When supporters of same-sex marriage put the issue on the ballot in Maine, it marked the first attempt to legalize same-sex marriage in a popular referendum. It was approved by voters in the November 2012 elections." -
Another state to approve gay marriage by referendum is Maryland, Washington;
" MARYLAND, WASHINGTON STATE - After the state legislatures in Washington and Maryland voted in favor of same-sex marriage, the laws were blocked from taking effect until state voters were given an opportunity to decide the matter in ballot initiatives. The issue went to voters in November 2012 and in both states voters sided with legalizing same-sex marriage. (Reporting by Edith Honan)"
According to a website devoted to critical thinking, Utah was a state that almost allowed gay marriage by vote (by a federal judge) (2);
"Gay marriage became legal in Utah on Dec. 20, 2013 when a federal judge ruled that the state's gay marriage ban was unconstitutional, but on Jan. 6, 2014 the US Supreme Court put a stay on the decision pending the state's appeal."
So we see that it is possible for a state to legalise gay marriage by votes alone. If it is possible to do this and yet goes against previous laws, then it is also possible to legalise Polygamy. Right now, less than 20 states legalise gay marriage according to the Huffington post and source no. 2. This is out of the 50 states that exist. So perhaps Polygamy shouldn't suddenly be allowed as there is still much debate as to whether or not same-sex marriages should be allowed. However, when it is fully legalised, accepted and allowed in all 50 states of America, when it becomes the law that says gays can marry, then there is no reason that the Law cannot say that people cannot have multiple relationships and multiple marriages with consent from all parties involved. Therefore, Polygamy (and I capitalise the word for emphasis) should be allowed.
A3: Unfairness or inequality
It is unfair to say that homosexual relationships are accepted, but polygamous relationships are not. The same argument that gay marriage supporters bring up about gays having human rights to marry other gays can be said for a person who wishes to marry multiple people. It is that person's rights to marry whom they wish as long as all parties in the relationship agree to be in marriage relationship. In the Huffington post, it says that Massachusetts was the first state to legalise gay marriage because the state's ban violated the constitutional rights of same sex couples;
" MASSACHUSETTS - In 2003, Massachusetts became the first state to allow gay marriage after its highest court ruled the state's ban violated the constitutional rights of same-sex couples." - (1)
This state has legalised gay marriage because banning gays to marry was unconstitutional. Another state also allowed gays to marry because of their marriage rights;
"CONNECTICUT - In 2008, the state Supreme Court overturned a lower court ruling and found that same-sex couples had a constitutional right to marry. Soon after, the state began issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples." - (1)
If all states of America legalised same-sex marriage because of gays or people having rights to marry however they wish, then how come people don't have rights to have multiple marriages? People shouldn't be banned for marrying how they wish. Why is banning polygamy not as unconstitutional as banning gays to marry? I understand if the ruling of a country was very strict and it completely bans anything other than traditional marriage. However that is not the case in America as more and more states are beginning to allow same-sex marriage and if the whole of America truly allows gay marriage, then it should also allow Polygamy. If Polygamy is allowed, then people who write articles like 'Legalise Polygamy! No. I am not kidding,' can finally rest. - (3)
These are my arguments, thank you for reading them.
(1) - http://www.huffingtonpost.com......#
(2) - http://gaymarriage.procon.org......
(3) - http://www.slate.com......
*all sources are reliable. The Huffinton post is a well known news company. ProCon provides sources for every article and the website is devoted to critical thinking. The third source is an article written by an individual's own opinion and this author has written many articles. Her name is Jillian Keenan.*
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