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kera10-11
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If god is omniscient and omnipotent, everything is predestined.

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Started: 5/26/2010 Category: Religion
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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whatledge

Pro

I don't see myself as a calvinist, but I do believe in predestination.
If god knows all, we are predestined.
To those that accept this challenge.
We are debating, given that
1) God exists
2) Omnipotent
3) Omniscient
kera10-11

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i dont understand the debate im srry i didnt mean to accept it if there anywayz i quiet i will
Debate Round No. 1
whatledge

Pro

Perhaps I could clarify.
Omniscient- possessed of universal or complete knowledge.
Omnipotent- having virtually unlimited authority or influence.
Predestined- to foreordain to an earthly or eternal lot or destiny by divine decree.
source:http://www.merriam-webster.com...

My belief is that if god omniscient, he knows the future, end, fate, the destiny of every living being. Allow me to use a simple anology of a novel and its author. Now let's say that the protagonist of the book is constantly faced with one tragedy after another, the author of the book is omniscient of the fate of the protagonist. But that is not all, the author is also omnipotent. He controls everything that goes on in the book. Hence the fate of the protagonist is not only KNOWN by god, it is DECIDED by him. Therefore if god is omniscient and omnipotent, then every life must be predestined.

That is what I tried to point out. If you do not comprehend, please comment on the comment section. If you wish to forfeit, I cannot help you. I am a novice in the mechanics of this site.
kera10-11

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kera10-11 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
whatledge

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whatledge forfeited this round.
kera10-11

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kera10-11 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Marauder 7 years ago
Marauder
whatledge, challenge me to this debate, I will take it. I'm as Un-Calvinist as it gets, a Wesleyan.
Posted by popculturepooka 7 years ago
popculturepooka
Predestination =/= predetermination.
Posted by kera10-11 7 years ago
kera10-11
thanxs for explaining but this isnt my topic that i really comprehend on perhaps i will debate you in future other debates however i will forthfit
Posted by kera10-11 7 years ago
kera10-11
o okay i understand now
Posted by whatledge 7 years ago
whatledge
@ kera10-11
My belief is that if god knows everything. Then God must also know the fate, the destiny, of every life. Hence, every life is predestined. This means that God has already decided who will go to heaven or hell. We have the illusion of free will, but ironically enough God already knows the future, and therefore no matter what we do, we cannot avoid the destiny that god has set out for us.
Posted by kera10-11 7 years ago
kera10-11
if you become more detailed about the topic and explain more about it i will accept the challenge
Posted by wjmelements 7 years ago
wjmelements
Many Christians believe in predestination, Geo.
Posted by GeoLaureate8 7 years ago
GeoLaureate8
Wow. I never thought I'd see a Christian make the same argument I have made.
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