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Ryosukeboo
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preciselylogan
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If we could live forever, would our lives be "meaningless"?

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Started: 8/9/2016 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 6 months ago Status: Debating Period
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Ryosukeboo

Con

No, our lives would not be meaningless if we could live forever. There are a lot of things in life we could successfully bring about or reach. Life would not have its meaning if we are going to die in the end. We as humans tend to limit ourselves because of fear, procrastination or perfection. There will always be a thought in our mind that the time is not right yet, or we are not feeling ready. By living forever, we are giving ourselves more time to overcome fears. We just do not seem to know when the time is right for us to do the things we want to. Once we age, there is no turning back, so what we did not get to achieve before a certain age will be gone. If some of the things we wanted to do, but did not get to do would that not make life meaningless? We die without getting to finish what we started or what we wanted to do, but never gotten the chance to. Our point of living is to learn from life and pass our knowledge on to other people which could be our children. We will always learn and remember what we were taught. What is the point of living if we are going to die and not remember anything?
preciselylogan

Pro

Greetings!

I am excited to take you on over this topic. I think that I can provide both a justification for the existence of death and a rebuttal to your central ideas. In doing so I am going to demonstrate some inconsistencies present within your main assertions.

C1. "No, our lives would not be meaningless if we could live forever. There are a lot of things in life we could successfully bring about or reach.Life would not have its meaning if we are going to die in the end."

R1. How would you qualify the meaning of life? This assertion seems to be self serving. Whose to say your meaning of life is favorable over a different meaning of life which may in fact require the existence of death. I stand by the notion that death brings meaning to life by forcing change. Life is fueled by the mechanism of change and death acts as that mechanism. Remember though that I don't have to defend the premise that life could be meaningless if we die in the end. Rather I only have to proof that life is meaningless if we live forever. Thus I can hold the position of life is always meaningless. In the even that we reach the conclusion that life is meaningless you should vote in my favor as that negates the resolution.

C2. "We as humans tend to limit ourselves because of fear, procrastination or perfection."

R2. This bit is important because you admit to the existence of procrastination as a tendency of humans. I would extend this to assert that procrastination is a normality for humans. If procrastination is a normality for humans then we need something to compel a change from normality. This mechanism of change is death. Without a mechanism of change life can't even hope to begin to accrue meaning. Because of the normalcy of procrastination. Without a mechanism for change humans would simple procrastinate away finding a meaning in life. This tendency towards procrastination is something you illuminated and something that logically extends to a near infinite value when the amount of time prescribed in infinite. Procrastination occurs only up until the date something is forced to happen. After that point the action is just late. Yet if nothing ever has to happen procrastination happens indefinitely. This argument corroborated by your own assertion is independently enough already to vote this debate in my favor.

C3. "There will always be a thought in our mind that the time is not right yet, or we are not feeling ready. By living forever, we are giving ourselves more time to overcome fears."

R3. See here for more evidence on your concession of our normalcy to procrastinate. Also you illuminate for us here a crucial miscalculation. You claim that by living forever we have more time to overcome our fears. Yet in order to over come our fears the only thing we don't need is more time to overcome them. Humans must be forced to overcome their fears to challenge themselves and their environment. If they are not forced to challenge themselves they will never adapt. We as humans work on the basis of reacting to failure. For evidence look to studies on the development of speed typing. In order to achieve change we must force ourselves to work outside of our bounds. With unlimited time there is never a necessity to change. Thus never a necessity to possess a meaning.

C4. "We just do not seem to know when the time is right for us to do the things we want to. Once we age, there is no turning back, so what we did not get to achieve before a certain age will be gone. If some of the things we wanted to do, but did not get to do would that not make life meaningless?"

R4. This contention is self defeating. Even if we lived forever we would only have more time where we weren't able to do one thing or another at a certain age. You concede here the meaninglessness of an infinite life.

C5. "Our point of living is to learn from life and pass our knowledge on to other people which could be our children."

R5. "This raison d'etre is wholly inconsistent with your previous ideas about the pursuit of meaning in life. If the point of living is to pass on what we know to our children why would we ever need to pass anything on if we just lived forever? The reason knowledge is passed on to those who live after us is so that they might be able to use that information when we are gone. When our time has passed and the world is theirs to roam.

C6. "We will always learn and remember what we were taught. What is the point of living if we are going to die and not remember anything?"

R6. This contention is centered wholly on a perceived need of the knowledge from our life, after our life. I reject the existence of such a need. It is in fact OK if the knowledge we learn in life is only useful during our lifetime and to those that live on.

Now the con case,

C1. Life's meaning might not be established by death, yet it is compelled to exist by death.

E1. See your evidence on the existence of procrastination in humans

C2. You have failed to provide a working definition for the meaning of life. If life cannot be proven to have a meaning we must assume it is meaningless and thus reject your case.
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8 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 8 records.
Posted by canis 6 months ago
canis
If we could live, would our lives be "meaningless" ?. One once wrote.."Most people die before they were ever born"..it sounds "strange". But forever is nothing...
Posted by Furyan5 6 months ago
Furyan5
Depends what you do with it.
Posted by allieevans 6 months ago
allieevans
A more relevant question is : is life meaningless because it's finite?
Posted by vi_spex 6 months ago
vi_spex
1 second looping now
Posted by vi_spex 6 months ago
vi_spex
joy is 100 percent true positive emotion
Posted by Furyan5 6 months ago
Furyan5
What happens once you have done everything? It might take a million years or maybe a hundred million, but eventually you will get bored with everything. What then? You still have billions of years to live and no reason to live. If God exists, I pity him.
Posted by vi_spex 6 months ago
vi_spex
and you dont have a choice to alter this other then going insane.. ending your life immediatly
Posted by vi_spex 6 months ago
vi_spex
they would, life can not exist without death, joy can not exist without pain
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