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Tommy.leadbetter
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9spaceking
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If we knew the position of every atom we could predict our behaviour perfectly. Destiny exists.

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9spaceking
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/5/2014 Category: Philosophy
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Tommy.leadbetter

Pro

There is a future laid out already that theoretically could be perfectly predicted. Therefore your choices are the result of biology more than what one might understand as 'free-will'.
Debate Round No. 1
Tommy.leadbetter

Pro

Tommy.leadbetter forfeited this round.
9spaceking

Con

A forfeit! How unpredictable! Looks like destiny really doesn't exist after all.
Debate Round No. 2
Tommy.leadbetter

Pro

Haha seems so. No i once again took on too many debates than I could manage.

This is what I wrote before I ran out of time if anybody was interested.

I will re do this debate. I apologise

If a computer can simulate a ball dropping and calculate from its characteristics and environment, the behaviour of that ball, what's to stop a computer from knowing the behaviour of an atom, and simulating its response to an environment? And if you can do that then, if you knew the positions of every Atom in the universe at any one time, why couldnt you program them all them atoms in there, and observe their responses to the other atoms. There is no reason why this wouldn't work, because all things are atoms, and if we could know the behaviour and position of them all perfectly, then those responses could be simulated. Obviously this could never, ever happen. But theoretically its possible, so there is a future laid out, but it means nothing. Our choices are still the same and nothing is different.

Don't expect any votes, thank you
9spaceking

Con

It's not even theoretically possible because since the universe is infinite, and matter could be scattered throughout the universe, we can't even theoretically calculate the motion of all the atoms. (Because we would have to calculate infinity, which is not an actual number).
Also, even if the universe isn't infinite, it's expanding at a rate we cannot possibly chase on. We can't be sure what the atoms near the edge of the universe move like, because the expansion is too fast for observation for evidence for calculation.

Thanks and vote me.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by cheyennebodie 2 years ago
cheyennebodie
Except for man's inherent unpredictability.Now I do agree that we can predict individually people's future. Just by taking inventory of all the words they speak.James 3rd chapter says plainly that we set in motion the course of this natural world by the words of our mouths.
Posted by Tommy.leadbetter 2 years ago
Tommy.leadbetter
Yes, one that could be perfectly predicted, in theory.
Posted by vi_spex 2 years ago
vi_spex
there is a future laid out...
Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
I want to accept.
Posted by ShadowHawk555 2 years ago
ShadowHawk555
Im considering debating but I don't think I'm smart enough lol.
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