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amishavyas
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OckhamsButterKnife
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If winning is not important then why scores?

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Started: 6/29/2014 Category: Society
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amishavyas

Con

If there are no scores then there will be no one to strive for thirst for being the best or bringing up the true winner from oneself. Scores are the pathway for being the best.
People shouldn't criticize scores.
OckhamsButterKnife

Pro

Scores are neither the ultimate solution for creating true winners nor accurately measure those winners.

So how can true winners be created without scores? We can do this by focusing on internal motivation in a competition rather than the external motivation of a score. By doing this we shift the focus if winning to being a winner. How do these differ? because for winning, every strategy is fair game to win. Wheter it is using a red herring in a debate or using a chess opening which can not be reasonably defended against without prior knowledge, both result in a win. As a player however, they did not grow. They did not take anything from their match but the boost in score. The player who seeks to be a better player will refrain from these tactics and seek out oppurtunities where he can learn. Such a competitor can even seek out losing games just to learn from that defeat. I for example lost to my father in chess many times and never resorted to surprise tactics because I did not want to beat him then, I wanted to be able to always defeat him. Although my endscore was horrid, I left the competition a better player. In the long run a completely internally motivated will overtake a purely externally motivated player. This promise will be able to spur people on without scores, and can resonate better with the goals the player had when they took up the game or competition. For example a debater who wants to persuade people on the street might feel stronger for developping skills which do not contribute to his score but do contribute to his persuasiveness (A well-crafted appeal to emotion for example). such players might steer away from score based competition as the time spend practising for it may conflict with his goal outside of debating.

Accurate measurement is a second problem. Although the winner in a game of chess is very clear, a debate can be much more difficult. Do we assign any points for style? Do we favor a better presented but technically inferior argument over a argument that is technically stronger but did not persuade that well during the debate? Depending on how these questions are answered a debate could be a loss in one examination and a victory in the next by different standards. Furthermore the arbitrary nature of judging might push people away from the competion. For example a boxer who lost on points to moves by his opponents which are finetuned to those rules. The idea that winning is determined by moves which only worka because of the manner of judging and has little to do with the actual game. By focusing on scores you disenfranchise people who play for the love of the game or people who try to expand their mastery of a discipline from a competetive scene.

To wrap it up: People should criticize scores because they only show victors by all means, not victors by discipline and mastery. People should criticize scores because a score based system may detract from their growth as a player and people should criticize scores because judgement which by its nature is arbitrary may detract from peoples enjoyment of a game
Debate Round No. 1
amishavyas

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Debate Round No. 2
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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
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wtf is this
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