The Instigator
Rockylightning
Con (against)
Winning
18 Points
The Contender
Sniperjake1994
Pro (for)
Losing
0 Points

Illegal Immigration

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after 4 votes the winner is...
Rockylightning
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/9/2010 Category: Politics
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Debate Rounds (3)
Comments (14)
Votes (4)

 

Rockylightning

Con

Illegal Immigration: Entering the US without a temporary work visa or a green card... you know what it means:

Hope for a good debate

Resolved that Illegal Immmigration Does more harm than gd
Sniperjake1994

Pro

Thank you for this debate, but due to a load of homework I must do I'll post my arguments in R2. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 1
Rockylightning

Con

1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.

2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.

3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.

4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.

5. Those that successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.

6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.

7. No government reimbursement to offset states illegal alien maintenance costs.

8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.

9. Millions of U.S. dollars sent outside the country.

10. Paper Fraud.

11. Fake document mills.

12. Imbalance in immigration quotas.

13. Interstate human trafficking.

14. Population health risks due to unverified pre-entry immunizations.

15. Increase in road traffic and usage, injurious or fatal accidents.

16. Congestion of tax-based public parks and recreation.

17. Overcrowding and financial burdens on public schools.

18. Continued law-breaking rationalization for those who employ illegals.

19. Growing number of uninsured illegal aliens who can't pay for claims.

20. Monopolization of Spanish language in various segments of society.

21. Unbalanced ethnic diversity.

I will expand on these arguments in the last round, I await my opponents arguments
Sniperjake1994

Pro

I'll like to bring up 2 points.

1. I affirm the resolution because this is my position in this debate.
Resolved: Illegal Immigration Does more harm than good.

2. His arguements are all for Pro. Thus without further ado, I'm sorry to say, he has lost this debate because he has agreed to Pro's position. His position is illegal immigration does more good than harm, but his arguments prove the opposite.

Thank you. I await your rebuttals or reply.
Debate Round No. 2
Rockylightning

Con

I do beleive that I am debating the right side. I am con illegal immigration: therefore I am against illegal immigration: therefore my arguments are against illegal immigration: I beleive you have mis-read my arguments
I await your arguments

Now to expand on mine

1. Burden on tax-based resources, costing taxpayers billions of dollars.
Resources such as emergency rooms, cost taxpayers money, if illegal immigrants are using these sources, they are costing taxpayers billions: estimated by the US census beureau.
2. Difficult prosecution and justice when perpetrators flee the country.
Speaks for itself
3. Disparity between legal immigrants who follow the rules and those who don't.
Self Explanatory
4. They risk death when traveling the desert to reach the borders.
When illegal immigrants cross the border from mexico and other countries, they can face miles and miles of walking through desert, mountains, or nowhere, this risks their lives, and border patrol lives, who have to go out looking for them.
5. Those that successfully cross the border inspire those left behind to do the same.
If one illegal immigrant crosses, it is estimated that he invites 5 more: Also the US census
think of it a a river dam breaking, once there's a crack-water gushes through and the crack gets bigger until the dam falls.
6. Continued growth of the demand for cheap labor and low wages.
Cheap labor may pay off employers-but to the average american who's job was just stolen, this is the opposite of a benefit.
7. No government reimbursement to offset states illegal alien maintenance costs.
Self Explanatory
8. Potential negative effects on working and middle-class citizens.
Negative effects include: INcrease in crime
Increase of drugs
Increase of theft
Increase of robbery
Increase of burgulary
Increase of stolen cars
Increase in alchohol drinking
Increase in tobacco sales
9. Millions of U.S. dollars sent outside the country.
Immigrants take money then send it to their family outside: not good
10. Paper Fraud.
Some immigrants forge official papers to get across which leads into the next point
11. Fake document mills.
(See above)
12. Imbalance in immigration quotas.
Self Explanatory
13. Interstate human trafficking.
Human trafficking (self explanatory)
14. Population health risks due to unverified pre-entry immunizations.
Swine flu was transferred to the U.S. most probably by an illegal immigrant: imagine all those lives that could have been saved
15. Increase in road traffic and usage, injurious or fatal accidents.
96% of illegal immigrants DO NOT have drivers licenses, and 1% of them are forged! If you don't have a liscense- basically you can't drive.
16. Congestion of tax-based public parks and recreation.
So true
17. Overcrowding and financial burdens on public schools.
Illegal Immigrant's children use the schools here illegally, stealing tax payer money again
18. Continued law-breaking rationalization for those who employ illegals.
(self explanatory)
19. Growing number of uninsured illegal aliens who can't pay for claims.
(Source is the US census again)
20. Monopolization of Spanish language in various segments of society.
That's good and bad, but it does make it harder to communicate
21. Unbalanced ethnic diversity --> I'm dropping this claim (don't bring it up -.-)

I await my opponent's refutals and since he has made no points, COn has won this debate without a doubt

-=VOTE CON=-
Sniperjake1994

Pro

I'm sorry for the mix up but the resolution states:
"Resolved that Illegal Immigration does more harm than good."
You even stated the resolution itself.

You're on Con and I'm on Pro. I am for the resolution and you're against. Your part is: Illegal immigration does more good than harm. Thus you've taken my arguments and I have won because you have failed to uphold your position. Thank you.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Sniperjake1994 6 years ago
Sniperjake1994
Oh...good point. Thanks. I'll keep that in mind before accepting a debate.
Posted by Korashk 6 years ago
Korashk
The instigator is not negociating a new resolution in his opening round. The debate topic is 'Illegal Immigration,' he was con illegal immigration, you were pro illegal immigration.

If the debate resolution had been restated in the opening round to be 'RESOLVED Illegal Immigration does more harm than good' then you would be correct in your assumed position. This renegociation did not happen. All the instigator did was state that he was resolved that illegal immigration does more harm than good because his stance was that of against illegal immigration.
Posted by Sniperjake1994 6 years ago
Sniperjake1994
@ Korashk: ? I'm sorry but can you clarify please?
Posted by Sniperjake1994 6 years ago
Sniperjake1994
@ Mcala7: Yes.
Posted by mcala7 6 years ago
mcala7
"Resolved that Illegal Immmigration Does more harm than gd"
doesnt this mean that pro is saying illegal immigration does more harm
and con is saying that it does more good
Posted by Korashk 6 years ago
Korashk
It doesn't say RESOLVED Illigal Immigration does more harm than good. It says RESOLVED that illegal immigration does more harm than good.

Even if it had said only the former that still does not come off, to me at least, as a restatement of the full resolution. To me the instigator stated at the end of round one that it is, or will be, resolved be his argiments that illegal immigration does more harm than good.
Posted by Sniperjake1994 6 years ago
Sniperjake1994
I'm sorry if I misinterpretate but:
The resolution states: "RESOLVED illegal immigration does more harm than good." It doesn't state "therefore let it be resolved..." or anything like that. Please post convicing comments on this issue because i'll like to see what I did wrong and hopefully I never happens again , thanks.
Posted by Sniperjake1994 6 years ago
Sniperjake1994
I don't understand why I lost. My position is for the illegal immigration does more harm than good.
Con even states the resolution:
Resolved that Illegal Immmigration Does more harm than gd.

He's on Con for the resolution without any arguments in R1 to clarify his position, thus I assume I'm for the resolution. His position: Illegal Immirgation does more good than harm, none of his arguments support that.
This is also completely ridiculous that he claims to be in my position.
Posted by Korashk 6 years ago
Korashk
All points to Con. Pro did nothing to support his side.

I would like to note to sniperjake that the final sentence is not the resolution to affirm or oppose, it is the conclusion statement of the opening round where Rockylightnong stated that he resolved that illegal immigration does more harm than good. The way I see it this debate was about illegal immigration. Instigator took the con illegal immigraion side where as you took the pro illegal immigration side.
Posted by Rockylightning 6 years ago
Rockylightning
I am indeed against in this debate!
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