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omr1030360
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FreedomBeforeEquality
Con (against)
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Illegal immigration could be a good thing

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FreedomBeforeEquality
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/1/2015 Category: Society
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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omr1030360

Pro

Illiegal immigrants are not the blood suckling leeches that people take them to be. I mean seriously, how many of you would take $3 a day to cut up pigs in a meat processing plant? It's a miracle that we even get thsee people into the country to do crap like that. And when they complain or get injured, the overseer calls border patrol on them! Ridiculous.
FreedomBeforeEquality

Con

I don't fully disagree with the statements you've made. Foreign workers do have their place in the low wage job sector. They do play an important role by accepting jobs that most Americans are too uppity to take on.

I don't, however, believe we should make full fledged americans out of anyone. I look at this from a business standpoint, that the US cannot afford to have every type of worker on the full pay and pension plan at the company. It's simply too expensive. Outsourcing a bit of work to areas that are proficient in it, while our workers back home refuse those sort of jobs, is perfectly ok to an extent. We get to continue being proficient in what we are good at, and that other country gets to flourish in the increased sales we bring them, and they get to continue doing what they are good at.

I don't think it'd take long for those illegals to turn into the same spoiled individuals that are refusing that work. With their wages adjusted and workers rights being fed to them ... they just turn into more minimum wage class citizens, of which we currently have to many.
Debate Round No. 1
omr1030360

Pro

omr1030360 forfeited this round.
FreedomBeforeEquality

Con

I'll wait for rebuttals or to hear of some type of ground me and Pro aren't in agreement on. It's hard to judge where he stands at the moment given my previous response.
Debate Round No. 2
omr1030360

Pro

omr1030360 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
omr1030360

Pro

omr1030360 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
omr1030360

Pro

omr1030360 forfeited this round.
FreedomBeforeEquality

Con

In summary, I restate that I think foreign workers have a place in society. That they be illegal or legal really has no bearing in the argument that was presented ... as we both met on the idea that they would be willing to perform lower wage work for our society in exchange for better benefits than they would normally receive in their home country.

To say though that foreign workers and immigrants have their place here is also saying we should not make them citizens by default on the grounds tht they would cease to serve that role that we claim to need them for.
Debate Round No. 5
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Vote Placed by lannan13 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro forfeited the majority of the debate, waiving all rounds except the first round where they presented the debate and a weak, unsupported constructive case. Such full forfeits are generally not considered acceptable conduct in any debate setting. Con graciously forwarded all their contentions and extended their arguments, and did not forfeit even a single round. This gracious conduct of Con by forwarding all contentions is rewarded and Pro's frequent forfeits are, thus, penalized. Pro loses S&G because of various errors. "Illiegal" was particularly painful to read. Pro also says "suckling" instead of "sucking", and says "thsee". Pro uses informal language such as "crap", severely hindering their S&G point. Pro's case is one of bare assertions and poor analogy, with no proper or solid case. Con presents a strong case based on immigration from a business standpoint, and Pro's forfeiture affects their arguments. Thus, args, conduct and S&G to Con. As always, happy to clarify this RFD.