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Dancer4
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paul_tigger
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Immigrants saves an American boy

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Started: 12/3/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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Dancer4

Pro

Is it right to send an immigrant back to his country when he came to the U.S for a better life when he saved an american from harms way? Cordova, saved the life of nine year old Christopher- when he and his mom ran off a cliff in Arizona while camping just a while back and he was an illegal immigrant but he had gotten deported, as much as he says he is glad he is back home, he should of have had the right to stay. I mean if an American saves a little Mexican kid in Mexico he gets praised and gets to stay for his heroism and he doesnt have to leave the country so why is it so different with an illegal immigrant in America.
paul_tigger

Con

Although the man you mentioned had saved the lives of two Americans, it does not negate the fact that the man was still in illegal alien who had violated the customary laws of the United States. The man had knowingly broken the law and crossed into the US without official consent. It would appear that had any person been in the same situation, they would have reacted in kind and provide any assistance possible to rescue the man. Furthermore, dancer 4 admits that the man is glad to be back in his country after being deported. What "rights," for that matter, what entitlements should be given when a person knowingly breaks the law to sneak into a country that has not provided him an offer? Does a mugger who robbed a woman that day who catches another thief breaking into the same jewelry store get the reward for stopping a robbery?

In addition, the possible implications that a man or a woman of illegal status should gain the rights to stay in the states if they help or rescue an American would cause a rippling effect of unimaginable porportion of illegals hanging around areas deemed hazardous or around American citizens for that matter waiting for an accident to happen to somehow "miraculously" save them from a disaster. It would also create a likelihood of false claims or staged claims of rescue that might endanger more lives rather than save them. Thus the possibility of fraud "rescue" cases would add greater strain to America's already stretched police, and quick rescue and response teams. Such scenarios would add greater financial strain to American tax payers as they are the people to pay for emergency responses. It would also result in situations where emergency response crews cannot react to real emergency situations.
In summation, the man's deed was certainly meritous but possessing skills of humanity to which anyone would react to facing similar situations does not equate with gaining citizenship into a country.
Debate Round No. 1
Dancer4

Pro

Dancer4 forfeited this round.
paul_tigger

Con

To Dancer 4:

You must either be too busy to pay heed to a debate that you initiated or perhaps you no longer are engrossed in the subject material. Since I have no argument to base a decision upon, I will await your next remarks.
Debate Round No. 2
Dancer4

Pro

Dancer4 forfeited this round.
paul_tigger

Con

Hello Dancer4:

I am still here awaiting your response so when you have a moment I hope you can at least make some form of reply. Hope all is well and I look forward to your arguments.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by christiandebater 9 years ago
christiandebater
People can still be "good people" and still break the law. He saved two people's lives, but he knows he shouldn't have been here in the first place. I'll vote con because 1. They stated what I believed and 2. You forfeited the debate.
Posted by kels1123 9 years ago
kels1123
miroslava.. you said you cant understand why people feel so bad about something that started this nation.. I dont have any problems with immigration , my problem is with illegal immigration.
Posted by miroslava 9 years ago
miroslava
1st of all, he's getting a special work visa, not citizenship. so at means he's going to be working here legally for about 5 years and eventually go back to his country.
and the whole idea that immigration is wrong regardless of anything is so blind.
in a nation like this labor force is everything, and it's not like I'm for long unfair work hours for immigrants, but think about it as a capitalist/economist. you have more people in the country, therefore you have more demand for products, and since they are working, you actually have the labor force to supply this demand. it's all a rise in the economic factor. they are paying taxes that are supporting the government and the welfare programs that many Americans need. I just don't understand how some people feel so bad about something that started this nation.
and paul_tigger: the Mexican government does not have the authority to keep us in the country, we're not Cuba, ok?
and it's not like the Mexican economy is not being affected by this immigration flow, our workers are leaving and now more than ever, the Mexican government has placed so many initiatives for agricultural industries because we are being impacted in a negative way. And at least in the city i was raised in (Juarez city, borders with El Paso,tx) i see huge billboards and know about hundreds of association dedicated to help and to try to persuade Latin americans from risking their lives in search of a better life.
Posted by Heller 9 years ago
Heller
paul tigger, thanks for voting on my debate, you made a lot of good points. I hope you don't mind I quoted some of them. I support you in this debate as well.
Posted by goldspurs 9 years ago
goldspurs
Just thought I would throw this out there. The Mexican goverment treats illegal aliens that come up from South America like dirt. Hypocritical.
Posted by paul_tigger 9 years ago
paul_tigger
To Miroslava:

Yet you neglected to mention that the illegal person was happy to be back home. No one here is arguing whether what he did was honorable and brave and the right thing to do, but you don't grant citizenship because he broke the law. Yes are the immigration laws tough? Sure. Yet how come no one ever asks why Mexico and other countries aren't doing enough to keep its citizens in the own country? Why don't you see Americans trying to illegaly cross into Mexico, at least the law abiding ones? One wrong to do a right does not make it right. One wrong is still a wrong. If anything, the person should be deported but the people he saved and perhaps the community should give him an award for his bravery.
Posted by PreacherFred 9 years ago
PreacherFred
Perhaps the young man may have been granted legal status as a reward? In any event, Paul presented a better arguement and Dancer defaulted.
Posted by goldspurs 9 years ago
goldspurs
"yes, immigrants get paid less than americans do.
but it's still better for immigrants frim what they do in their homeland. in mexico, the minimum wage is of a little less than 5 dollars a day."

So what if its better for immigrants? Its NOT better for Americans. Yes the U.S. goverment can stop illegal immigration. Hopefully we will soon. The only ones that have an advantage in illegal immigration are the companies that hire them and illegals. Maybe thats why the vast majority of Americans oppose ILLEGAL immigration. That is the BOTTOM LINE!
Posted by miroslava 9 years ago
miroslava
yes, immigrants get paid less than americans do.
but it's still better for immigrants frim what they do in their homeland. in mexico, the minimum wage is of a little less than 5 dollars a day.
and anyway you wanna look at it, the economic advantages cannot be denied.
If the US government really wanted to stop immigration, they could, i live right in the border and i can assure you that more than anyone. truth is they don't because it is not wise when it comes down to dollas and cents and that's the bottom line.

and the reason why i do believe that he should be rewarded is because he did risk his own life, all the food and water he had, he gave it to the boy so that he would survive. For me, that is one of the most noble things a person could do.

"The district director for U.S. Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., said Córdova deserved the opportunity to come to America to work, and the congressman plans to introduce legislation that will let him get a special visa."

it's not like he's going to become a US citizen, but in my opinion, he def. earned a second chance.
Posted by la_bella_vita 9 years ago
la_bella_vita
i think that his "reward" if you will, was that he and everyone else knows that he did the right thing, something really honorable. this doesn't merit special treatment from the government though. he may have been sent back to his country but anyone with a conscience would have known that this is a little price to pay for saving the lives of a mother and child.
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