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Immigration and Amesty

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Started: 10/15/2013 Category: Politics
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lmistowskiNHS

Pro

When American citizens are beginning a new business or own a business, they need employees to work for them at a low rate. Thokozile Gurganious, the author of "How Immigration Benefits America" states that "Because immigrants accept lower wages, employers make more profits when they hire immigrants than when they hire native born people. U.S. consumers also benefit in the long run because the goods which cost less to produce when immigrants are used are then sold for less to them" (Thokozile). Immigrants are more lenient than Americans when it comes to being paid to work because to immigrants, any wage is good to them. Americans expect more money than immigrants because American citizens have families that they have to provide for. Even though immigrants have families to provide for too, they will take any wage that is offered to them. Not only do immigrants provide employers with workers, but they also introduce foods and traditions from their culture to America. Thokozile explains "Americans benefit from immigration in that all aspects of American life are enriched by immigrants. Because of immigration, new restaurants mushroom serving new types of foods that Americans previously did not know. Americans are also introduced to new cultures, new types of dress and new languages" (Thokozile). America is a place in which diversity is very important. Immigrants providing Americans with different types of foods could possibly increase sales rates if the foods are liked by the citizens. The language that the immigrants speak could also be useful in America for educational or traveling purposes such as Spanish, Italian and French. Many everyday things in America would not be available to us if it weren"t for immigrants.
mcoteNHS

Con

The number of illegal immigrants attending public schools in the United States has increased significantly. These children of illegal immigrants are able to attend school for free not at the cost of their parents, but at the cost of legal United States taxpayers. In 2008, the Pew Study found that 13.5 percent of k-12 students were children of illegal immigrants. Lance T. Izumi, author of "Educating Illegal Immigrants Costly", stated that "The U.S. Census Bureau just released in 2008 figures showing the national average total per-pupil funding from all revenue sources was $12,028...Therefore, if one multiplies $12,028 by the roughly 3.7 million students with illegal immigrant parents, then one gets a national total funding cost of $44.5 billion" (Izumi). It is very expensive to educate a pupil in the public school system. Taxpayers' money funds public schools for their children, so any person who is an illegal immigrant and is not paying taxes should not be able to take advantage of the public school system. It is unfair to the citizens of the United States to allow the children of illegal immigrants receive a free education while they are working hard to earn the money that is taken from them by the government to support the school systems. Not only is illegal immigration unfair and costly to taxpayers, it is unfair to those waiting to enter the United States lawfully. Jim DeMint, author of "The Burden of Amnesty", states that "amnesty is unfair to those who came to this country lawfully. More than four million people are waiting to come to the United States legally, but our dysfunctional bureaucracy makes it easier to break the law than to follow it" (DeMint). By providing amnesty to illegal immigrants, the United States government is not only being unfair to the legal citizens of the nation, but to the people who are waiting to lawfully enter the United States and live in the country legally. Amnesty should not be offered to anyone who is not paying taxes and is living in the United States illegally.
Debate Round No. 1
lmistowskiNHS

Pro

Having immigrants in the United States of America has many benefits such as increasing the community"s tax base because they buy products produced by the local community. In Thokozile Gurganious"s text, "How Immigration Benefits America", he claims, ""By increasing consumer demand, immigrants generate economic growth which benefits the middle-class. Immigration is also a major contributor to the expansion of Hispanic and Asian-American Consumer markets, which in 2003 was estimated to make up 12 percent of the national purchasing power"" (Gurganious). Immigrants are not only introducing new products to America, but they are also contributing to the national purchasing power. The more immigrants the government allows into the country, the higher the national purchasing power percentage will increase due to expansion of the cultural markets. Because of immigrants, America is known for its astounding diversity. Further on in his text, Gurganious acknowledges, "Before the 1960s, the immigration policy of the U.S. favored immigration from Western Europe and Canada, and as a result immigration prior 1960 were mainly from European countries. However, in the 1960s immigration laws were changed as a result of the civil rights movement. Since then, there has been a decline of immigrants from Europe and a rise of immigrant from Asia and Latin America. "These relatively recent changes in the national origin of immigrants have begun to convert the United States into a largely bi-racial society"" (Gurganious). The United States of America has evolved into a country in which racial discrepancy is nothing but a faded topic. We, as Americans, have moved past our racial differences and have become one as a country accepting those of all cultures. The individuals who come from different countries or different cultures help formulate what America is today.

Gurganious, Thokozile. "Benefits of Immigration." Life Paths. Helium Inc., 06 December 2009. Web. 18 October 2013.
mcoteNHS

Con

Illegal immigrants do nothing for the economy but take away opportunities for hard-working American citizens. Roger D. McGrath states in his article "Deporting Illegal Immigrants", "During World War II, with so many Americans in the service - and fighting and dying overseas - Mexicans illegally entered the United States to take advantage of employment opportunities, especially as agricultural laborers" (McGrath 1). Not only are illegal immigrants living in the country tax-free, but they are taking away jobs from tax-paying citizens who deserve the job over them. In no way do illegal immigrants help the United States economy; they are just hurting the nation and the citizens who are living in it. Illegal immigrants have been a concern of American citizens since World War II. "By the end of World War II there were some two million illegal aliens living in California, Arizona and Texas. U.S. citizens in those states began complaining that the Mexican illegals undercut the workingman's wages, committed crimes, caused a general deterioration of the communities they lived in, gave birth to children at the country's expense, and sent older children to local schools - crowding classrooms and breaking school district budgets" (McGrath 1). Not only is the economy suffering, American citizens are also very unpleased with the presence of illegal immigrants. They do nothing but cause problems in society and get in the way of citizens' every day lives. Illegal immigrants are not welcomed by the citizens of the United States because they only take away opportunities from and cause trouble in their every day lives.
Debate Round No. 2
lmistowskiNHS

Pro

Many believe that immigrants occupy jobs that Americans need, but in reality, immigrants are taking jobs that Americans do not want. In the article "Benefits of Immigration," the writer states, "Critics have claimed that immigrants take on jobs, lower down wages, and drain too much tax money because of social services. However, what they do not realize that the jobs immigrants take are the job most citizens in the host country do not take. Immigrants filling up these jobs lighten the load of producers and consumers and results in gains in economic welfare. It is a fact that immigrants are a source of low cost labor, but these cost reductions are eventually passed on to the consumer, so host country citizens benefit from this as well. The goods produced through the efforts of immigrant workers can also generate additional profits as the goods can be sold at lower price" (Benefits of Immigration). The jobs that do not pay well and are not appealing to Americans are the jobs that immigrants are more than willing to occupy. Plus, it is cheaper for the employer to pay for labor because immigrants are more lenient when it comes to wages. In addition, immigrants provide a younger workforce for American citizens. The author states "The ratio of retired people to workers is expected to dramatically increase in the coming decades that would result to significant changes in the Security System (i.e. benefits). Immigrants, with their children and younger relatives, will bring in more young workforce that can slow down the increase of this very important ratio" (Benefits of Immigration). The young minds of immigrants taking over senior citizens occupations would be good for the economy because they have the updated knowledge that senior citizens do not. There are a plethora of senior citizens retiring making jobs that Americans do not want available to immigrants. Because this ratio is essential, it is important for young immigrants to occupy the jobs that retired Americans leave.

"Benefits of Immigration." BenefitOf.net. Benefits Of, 6 September 2011. Web. 21 October 2013. Print.
mcoteNHS

Con

Immigrants actually do take jobs away from Americans. Roger D. McGrath, author of "Deporting Illegal Immigrants", states that "However, several studies, including one conducted by the President's Commission on Migratory Labor in Texas, demonstrated that if employers paid standard American wages there would be plenty of Americans able and willing to take the jobs. In the Rio Grande Valley of Texas, for example, where tens of thousands of illegal aliens were employed, wages were half that paid in other parts of Texas for the same agricultural jobs" (McGrath 1-2). Employers are more willing to hire illegal immigrants because they will work for less money because they do not need to pay taxes because they are living in the United States ILLEGALLY. Law abiding citizens who pay taxes would obviously need to be payed at least minimum wage because they have to a piece of their salary to the government. Illegal immigrants also cause corruption in the government and Federal services. "It seems that corruption was a fact of life in the Immigration and Naturalization Service and in the Border Patrol... They were also staying here without restraint. Border Patrol agents tell stories of rounding up illegal aliens on large farms, only to have them released after the politically connected employer called the right people (McGrath 2). Even dealing with illegal immigrants once they were caught is an issue. They are able to call their employers who have them illegally employed and they are able to get the aliens out of customs and set free from being deported. Illegal immigrants cause problems even after being captured and they corrupt the government and federal services. Aliens, in fact, take jobs away from tax-paying citizens and cause corruption in federal services.
McGrath, Roger D. "Deporting Illegal Immigrants." New American Vol. 26, NO. 15 Jul 19 2010: 35. Sirs Issues Researcher. Web. 20 October. 2013
Debate Round No. 3
lmistowskiNHS

Pro

Believe it or not, a the majority of illegal immigrants do pay taxes according to Nick Gillespie and company"s text "Immigration Now, Immigration Tomorrow, Immigration Forever". Many argue that illegal immigrants do not pay taxes, but in reality, they pay the majority of taxes that the Americans pay. In his text, Gillespie acknowledges "About two-thirds of illegals pay Medicare, Social security, and income taxes. All pay sales taxes and property taxes (directly if they own property, or, more likely, indirectly via rents that reflect property taxes). And since 1996, the only public funds illegals can really access are for emergency medical care and primary and secondary education (and only ten percent of illegals send kids to public schools)" (Gillespie). Like Americans, illegal immigrants pay taxes to the government for living in the United States of America. Even though they do not pay all of the same exact taxes as American citizens, they pay the majority of taxes. Immigrants occupy a high percentage of skilled jobs because of the knowledge and skills that they possess. Gillespie recognizes that in the United States, fifty-four percent of tailors are foreign-born and forty-four percent of immigrants are plaster-stucco masons. Immigrants help the United States of America because they are contributing to the economy by putting their skills and knowledge to use. Immigrants strive to live their lives as individuals in America by contributing or offering their skills.

Gillespie, Nick., Howley, Kerry., Lochhead, Carolyn., Cavanaugh, Tim., al, Et. "Immigration Now, Immigration Tomorrow, Immigration Forever. Reason. 01 August 2006: 30. eLibrary. Web 15 October 2013. Print.
mcoteNHS

Con

Immigrants are not paying the income tax that all American citizens pay from their salaries. According to Jim DeMint, "An exhaustive study by the Heritage Foundation has found that after amnesty, current unlawful immigrants would receive $9.4 trillion in government benefits and services and pay more than $3 trillion in taxes over their lifetimes. That leaves a net fiscal deficit (benefits minus taxes) of $6.3 trillion. That deficit would have to be financed by increasing the government debt or raising taxes on U.S. citizens" (1). Illegal immigrants do pay property taxes; there is no way around that, but they are not paying income tax off of the money they make to support their families. Illegal immigrants take more money from the government than they do paying it back. They take advantage of social services for citizens, abuse them, and then create a deficit, which in turn will raise taxes even more for the citizens of the United States. Granting amnesty to illegal immigrants would be unfair the the citizens of the nation. DeMint also expresses "People the world over are attracted to the United States because we are a nation of laws. Granting amnesty to those who broke the law and putting them on a path to citizenship would be unfair, would encourage more bad behavior and would impose significant costs on American families" (1). People in other nations are attracted to the United States because it is a land of laws and opportunity. By abusing this, illegal immigrants are making the lives of citizens more difficult and expensive to live. In order for someone to become a United States citizen, they should enter the country legally, pay taxes, and not be a reason that increases taxes for people already citizens of the nation.
DeMint, Jim, and Robert Rector. "The Burden of Amnesty." Washington Post. 07 May 2013: A.17. SIRS Issues Researcher. Web. 24 Oct 2013.
Debate Round No. 4
lmistowskiNHS

Pro

Although immigrants do not pay all the taxes that American citizens pay, they still propose many benefits to the United States of America. Throughout the years, it has been proven that immigrants have improved on the federal dept in the country. The article "Expanding Immigration Would Reduce the Federal Deficit, Some Conservatives Say," the author Jim Tankersley acknowledges, "In his new analysis, Holtz-Eakin predicts that those benefits would be substantial, for several reasons. Immigrants will add to the labor force, he says, helping to reverse a decline in workforce participation that began a decade ago " and boost the economy"s potential for growth in the process. Those added workers also could raise productivity, he says, because research shows that immigrants tend to be more entrepreneurial than native-born residents" (Tankersley). Many may argue that immigrants take away the jobs that Americans need in order to provide for their families, but the jobs that they are striving for are those that do not require a diploma, opposite from the jobs that a majority of immigrants want. Immigrants are known to be more diligent, when it comes to working, than American citizens. In addition, immigrants contribute to the economy as well as the country"s budget in a tremendous way. Tankersley provides, "Using the standard estimation tool of the Congressional Budget Office, which Holtz-Eakin used to direct, the extra growth adds up to $2.7 trillion in deficit reduction over a decade. This is how Republicans want the CBO to score tax-cut bills" (Tankersley). Immigrants assist American citizens with the help to decrease the deficit in the country. Allowing immigrants into the country will lower the deficit massively which will improve the nation"s economy in the long run. Expanding immigration throughout the country will benefit American"s by improving the economy and lowering the deficit.
Tankersley, Jim. "Expanded Immigration Would Reduce the Federal Deficit, Some Conservatives Say." Washington Post. 08 April 2013. Web. 26 October 2013. Print.
mcoteNHS

Con

It is unfair that immigrants get to stay in the United States because their children were born here. Although their children are technically citizens, illegal immigrants should not be able to stay in the Nation and send their kids to public school paid for by the taxes of citizens. "Although almost three-quarters of the children of illegal immigrants were born in the United States and are therefore citizens, had their parents not entered the U.S. illegally these children likely wouldn't be in U.S. public schools and wouldn't require taxpayer funding. Thus, it's fair to say that their education cost stems from their parents' illegal entry into this country" (Izumi). A lot of the tax problems in the school system stem from the fact that parents are not paying for their children's' education and rely on citizens to pay for them. The costs for schools to function and to maintain is increasing. Many new schools need to be built and there is no money in the system. "Capital costs for school construction may have increased at a higher rate because of the influx of children of illegal immigrants" (Izumi). The need for new schools is because there are illegal immigrants coming to the nation and there is not room for them, and there is a shortage of money because these immigrants are not paying money to support the schools that they are sending their children to.
Izumi, Lance T. "Educating Illegal Immigrants Costly." Atlanta Journal-Constitution. 18 Aug 2010: A.13. SIRS Issues Researcher. Web. 28 Oct 2013.
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