The Instigator
Willoweed
Pro (for)
Winning
13 Points
The Contender
CAPLlock
Con (against)
Losing
4 Points

Immigration (illegal and legal) are beneficial to the USA, and society in general.

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after 4 votes the winner is...
Willoweed
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/1/2011 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 1,238 times Debate No: 19597
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Willoweed

Pro

Immigration (illegal and legal) are beneficial to the USA, and society in general.
My opponent can either argue first or just accept and let me argue. However if my opponent argues first he/she cannot post in the last round.
CAPLlock

Con

I concur. Both illegal and legal will be counted to my debate.
Debate Round No. 1
Willoweed

Pro

Lets just post some facts.

http://www.dailykos.com...
^In Georgia fruit and vegetable farmers (who make up just 5% of Georgia's total crop value have lost 75 million dollars in unpicked crops because they couldn't get enough labour to pick them after the state enacted an anti-immigration law that caused immigrants to flee; farmers say the lacked 40% of the work force they needed.
^Extrapolating the data Georgia lost 1.5 billion in un-harvested crops.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^Some estimates show that world barriers for emigration cost the world economy trillions of dollars.

http://thinkprogress.org...
^A 10% rise in immigration causes a 1% rise in house prices, meaning an increase in immigration could stem losses and help relieve the housing bust.

http://sciencecareers.sciencemag.org...
^At least maybe more than 16% of companies who saw significant sales growth and employment growth reported at least one founder who was an immigrant.

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
^The Arizona anti immigration bill is estimated to:
Reduce state tax revenue by 10.1%
Eliminate 581,000 jobs
Shrink the economy by 48.8 billion

http://wonkroom.thinkprogress.org...
^Kentucky's copycat Arizona immigration law would cost the state 40-90million dollars each year in increased costs. There are only 50,000 illegal immigrants in Kentucky.
^A 2008 report shows that if Kentucky were to remove all of its illegal immigrants the economy would shrink by 1.7 billion and over 12,000 jobs would be lost.

http://articles.sfgate.com...
^4 months after the enactment of Arizona's immigration law the states hotel industry has lost 45 million dollars.
Local economies lost around 100 million.
The legislation is likely to cost the state ---3,000 jobs and 250million in lost economic output.

http://www.reason.org...
Illegal immigrants contribute a net 80,000 dollars in taxes over their lifetime. Meaning the 12 million illegal immigrants currently in America will contribute 1 trillion more dollars in taxes than they receive in benefits. Illegal immigrants still pay all state/local taxes (including sales and property) while paying some income taxes (some are paid under the table). Since illegal immigrants enter the country during their working years they do not cost the government in education costs. Also sine illegal immigrants are legally unable to get SS, Medicare or other social benefits they do not cost the government any money in those matters.

http://yglesias.thinkprogress.org...
^Illegal immigrants reduce insurance premiums and health care costs per capita, because immigrants come here during their working years, avoiding high costs young years and they use 55% less health services then Americans.
CAPLlock

Con

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Willoweed

Pro

Willoweed forfeited this round.
CAPLlock

Con

CAPLlock forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Chrysippus 5 years ago
Chrysippus
RFD:
Conduct: Pro. Auto-loss of this point for Con for forfeit.

SP/G: tied. Nothing to complain of.

Arguments: Pro. Con did not post any.

Sources: Pro, who did a great job sourcing each and every one of his assertions. 16kadams, that's not "source war," that's proper debating. You should learn a thing or two from Willowweed and others who take the time to back up their assertions.
Posted by CAPLlock 5 years ago
CAPLlock
Both I think
Posted by Ore_Ele 5 years ago
Ore_Ele
Does con have to argue against all imigration, or can they focus on just illegal immigration?
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Vote Placed by Chrysippus 5 years ago
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Vote Placed by 16kadams 5 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: pro chill with the link wars. con try not to FF
Vote Placed by imabench 5 years ago
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Vote Placed by RussianFish99 5 years ago
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