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IWillDebateNow
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Debate_King1475
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Immigration into the UK should be reduced.

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IWillDebateNow
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 2/14/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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IWillDebateNow

Pro

I believe that the situation of mass, uncontrolled immigration into the UK has become a serious problem. Here, when immigrants arrive, they get free healthcare, free education, free housing and free benefits.(1)Many are not even kept track of by the government(2) The majority of these immigrants don't integrate and don't contribute to the UK.(3) Instead they attempt to get their families and friends across our borders (4), often with great success. They form isolated communities, particularly in Southall(5), Hounslow and Heston in London and Birmingham and Manchester elsewhere in the country. Most don't speak English and are either passively or aggressively hostile to the native white population. If this continues we will become an ethnic minority in our own country.(6)(7)(8)
Of course, controlled and limited immigration brings the benefits so commonly referenced such as filling the skills gap and helping the economy but the situation is far past this point today.
A common counterargument is " What has an immigrant ever done to you". In response I say "it's not me personally, it's what they have done to my country".
Perhaps you'll think I'm 'racist' but if you wish to trade insults, my preferred term is 'biased'.
If you live in the UK in or near London and you're sceptical about my arguments, take a drive through Southall and come back to me.
I advocate a points based system such as that used in Australia for immigration control.
This is not about racial profiling or negative discrimination it is about deporting those who take and don't give and allowing those who can provide for themselves and benefit the country in.
(1) https://uk.answers.yahoo.com...
(2)http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
(3) http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk...
(4) http://www.bbc.co.uk... (applies to immigrants too)
(5)http://www.visitsouthall.co.uk... "Southall Broadway is like "Little India" as you don't need to speak English to fully enjoy the experience"
(6) http://www.express.co.uk...
(7) http://www.express.co.uk...
(8) http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
Debate_King1475

Con

Immigration into the UK should be regulated. That is what you are getting at. The regulation of immigration will help the country. However, there is no reason why people should be not allowed to enter the country. It is a great country and depriving people of that ability would be unfair.
Debate Round No. 1
IWillDebateNow

Pro

Yes. I mean that people who do not contribute and cannot provide for themselves shouldn't be allowed in and that anybody who has entered the country illegally should be deported. If there is an important reason, such as a war, I think that countries with a larger landmass which are more likely to be nearer the source of the conflict should take in those immigrants. However, the number taken in and the length of their stay should be limited.
I think this country used to be great but immigration on the whole has been a major contributory factor in a 'fall from grace'. This is not the only factor however.
Debate_King1475

Con

"anybody who has entered the country illegally should be deported"

Wouldn't you want to deportation to be legal and be allowed to deport them by the law.

You need to explain how these immigrants are destroying the UK.

Going back to my point, why should a country be allowed to not allow anyone to enter the country. There isn't a reason that a great country such as the UK should support a large number of people because of the greatness of the country. The country should not be allowed to exclude people and only allow people born in the UK to live in the UK. People should be allowed to do as they please. If anything, your argument should be about reducing the world's population effectively and ethically instead of just blaming the large amount of immigrants, which is a by product of the world population increasing at too rapid of a rate.
Debate Round No. 2
IWillDebateNow

Pro

In regards to your first point, yes I would want "deportation to be legal" and to be "allowed to deport them by the law".
An explanation containing many points I would use for your second point "how these immigrants are destroying the UK" is here:
http://www.express.co.uk...

My point wasn't about not allowing anyone into the country, it was about preventing those who have a negative effect on society coming in. This prevention should be allowed because otherwise a country that acts like bees to pollen for immigrants such as the UK will be overwhelmed. There will be too many people using our British resources and too many people not contributing to society positively.

I never mentioned anything about allowing only "people born in the UK to live in the UK" I simply made the point that only "those who can provide for themselves and benefit the country" should be allowed in. That makes no reference to their place of birth.

People should be "allowed to do as they please". In their own country.

Yes the population is increasing rapidly and that is going to increase population globally. Yes the population should be reduced "effectively and ethically". I also know that immigration is a by product of a rapidly increasing population. However, though I am in support of the argument for population reduction, that is not quite the issue. The issue is that regardless of the increasing movement of people worldwide, a disproportionate number immigrate into the UK because, unlike other countries, we are perceived as the "land of milk and honey"(1)for immigrants. This is caused by our weak benefits policy(1) and our soft touch on border controls(2) among other factors.

(1) http://www.dailymail.co.uk...
(2) http://www.bbc.co.uk...
Debate_King1475

Con

Debate_King1475 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
IWillDebateNow

Pro

Do you have any counter arguments?
Debate_King1475

Con

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Debate Round No. 4
IWillDebateNow

Pro

IWillDebateNow forfeited this round.
Debate_King1475

Con

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Debate Round No. 5
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