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Immigration

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Started: 4/16/2017 Category: People
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KelpyTheGreat

Con

Do you believe that all nonviolent immigrants be granted amnesty?
Debate Round No. 1
Travis_Talks

Pro

Immigrants have come to America to create a better life for themselves and their children. In many cases, they've come here fleeing from extreme oppression and poverty. Everyday, millions of hard-working immigrants fear deportation due to their undocumented status.

Frequently employers will use immigrants workers' undocumented status as blackmail, allowing them to exploit their workers in various ways, such as providing poor working conditions and/or underpaying them (in some cases not even paying them at all). [1] Here we have a system in which millions of people are being exploited and abused by their employers, yet remain silent on the issue due to fear of forcibly ripped away from their homes and/or families' by ICE.

Granting all undocumented immigrants' amnesty would drastically reduce worker exploitation. Furthermore, undocumented immigrants generate $11 billion in tax revenue every year, a figure that would only increase if the aforementioned immigrants were granted amnesty. [2] So not only does granting all nonviolent undocumented immigrants amnesty make sense from a moral perspective, it also makes sense from a pragmatic perspective.

My Sources:

1: https://www.theguardian.com...
2: http://www.mercurynews.com...
Debate Round No. 2
KelpyTheGreat

Con

Immigrants are a positive influence on America. In fact, America would be a bunch of tribes without immigration. However, there is a difference.

The whole blackmail thing would be stopped if immigrants went the legal way. Sure, it's difficult, but within a few years all the family is settled. They can get citizenship and social security within five years, so just cutting in line only to be sent to the end isn't worth it.

I know that some of them are hard workers, fleeing persecution, and I sincerely support them. But the majority...well, I'll tell you a few facts about them

1. 4 out of 5 warrants for murder in Los Angeles is accredited to illegal aliens.

2. As for the "exploitation" and "poor working conditions," 2% of illegals are picking crops, yet almost half are living off welfare.

3. The majority of gang members are illegal aliens. Care to explain why?

4. 75% of LA's most wanted are illegals.

5. In Mexico, illegals (people usually from Honduras going on foot, who need to cross Mexico in order to get to America) can be sent to prison.

6. Illegals take more money than they generate.

If they feel oppressed, they can go back to Mexico, or go somewhere else, like Europe or Argentina, who have easy immigration laws.
Travis_Talks

Pro

It's good to see that you agree that immigrants are a positive influence on America.

As for your remarks that the blackmail problem could've been avoided if the current undocumented immigrants in the country had entered legally, that is quite frankly irrelevant. This debate isn't about what should've been done back then, it's about what should be done right now.

I should also mention that none of the "facts" you listed about undocumented immigrants have any sources to back them up. As I'm sure you're aware, the burden of proof is on you in regard to these claims. However, I will attempt to refute them anyway.

1. I was not able to find a source for the claim that 4 out of 5 warrants for murder in Los Angeles are attributed to undocumented immigrants. I was, however, able to find a similar claim that states that 95%, an even higher number, of warrants for murder in Los Angeles are attributed to undocumented immigrants. It comes from a testimony from Heather Mac Donald before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Immigration and Border Security, however there is no actual evidence to back up this claim of her's. [3]

2. As for the claim that "2% of illegals are picking crops, yet almost half are living off welfare", the first part is more or less accurate. However, the second part is misleading. According to Camarota, 40% of undocumented immigrant-headed households receive some type of government assistance programs. However, these households often include citizen children in them, and they're the ones receiving most of the benefits, not the undocumented immigrants themselves. [4]

It should also be noted that just because undocumented immigrants aren't "picking crops", that doesn't mean they're not working or are living off of welfare benefits.

3. The claim that "majority of gang members are illegal aliens" is another quote that can be attributed to Heather Mac Donald. It should be noted, however, that she was referring a study by the California Department of Justice in which it showed that the 18th Street Gang had a high membership of undocumented immigrants. That's a single gang in Los Angeles County. There is absolutely no factual basis whatsoever to back up the claim that undocumented immigrants make up the majority of gang members. [3]

4. Once again, there is no factual basis to this claim. The Los Angeles Police Department"s "Most Wanted" list is available online, however it doesn't list the immigration status of their suspects, only their ethnicity. [3]

5. I don't see what point you're trying to make here. Just because that's how the law works in Mexico, that doesn't mean it's just or moral. Furthermore, we're not discussing Mexico's immigration laws, we're discussing America's.

6. Undocumented immigrants do not "take more money than they generate". In fact, the exact opposite is true. Undocumented workers pay an estimated $13 billion into Social Security taxes every year and yet only receive $1 billion back. [5]

My Sources:

3: http://www.snopes.com...
4: http://www.politifact.com...
5: https://news.vice.com...
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