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cjet79
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repete21
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9 Points

Implementing Universal Health Care is a Bad Idea

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Started: 12/11/2007 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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cjet79

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Our current health care system is messed up, but UHC is not the solution. A universal health care system would destroy the incentives of patients and doctors to try and lower prices. A UHC system would cause unnecessary corruption, and bureaucracy at the taxpayer's expense. A UHC system greatly reduces a patient's ability to choose their doctor.

There is no evidence to suggest that UHC lowers medical prices, and most European nations with these systems merely transfer the costs to taxpayers. Our Current system is NOT what i would advocate (since it has many of the same problems of UHC).
repete21

Con

I agree that UHC will not work for individual countries, but the topic is Universal, so, I do believe that UHC, could be done, and could be successful, there is much wasted spending in governments, if this spending was used to pay one, global organization, such as the Red Cross, or WHO to open hospitals, which could be used for free, it could very easily be succesfull, without raising taxes, there could still be other hospitals for people who want special care, but the UHC would be available still.
Debate Round No. 1
cjet79

Pro

The Red Cross is a private charity...if you want to provide UHC through private charity then be my guest. What i take issue with is forcing other people to pay for that system through taxes.

The WHO is little more then a bureaucratic entity at this point. To turn it into an organization capable of providing health care to more then 5 billion people would be impossible.

There is always wasted spending in bureaucratic institutions. Corruption and wasted spending are a given, and any organization funded by government is bound to suffer from the same problems.

So again...who is paying for this?
repete21

Con

So... all you have to say is that the two examples I gave are bad, and that because my funding is present, and accessible in every form of bureaucracy you are right?

Moving on, I did not mean that the agency had to be the Red Cross, or the WHO, those were just examples of groups I believe could do it, honestly, I don't see why this wouldn't work if the governments of the world could unite, and find a group to do the work.
Debate Round No. 2
cjet79

Pro

You gave me nothing other then your two examples to go after.

"honestly, I don't see why this wouldn't work if the governments of the world could unite, and find a group to do the work."

Well i dont see how anything wouldn't work if everyone united in a happy little utopian world. That just has no basis in reality...which is what i thought we were arguing about.
repete21

Con

I didn't say we would need a perfect world, and that every single government in the world would have to put their differences aside, and do the right thing, this could be done without every single government in the world, also, funding could come from other places, charities collect millions each year, what is to say this couldn't, sure it may not work in EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY, but it could be done on a scale large enough, that it would be accessible by anyone determined enough to get free health care.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by cjet79 9 years ago
cjet79
I was just really thrown off by the "universal" thing. I have heard this idea before, but there is really no evidence to attack or support that kind of argument. Other then the fact that there are over 5 billion people out there that we would have to provide healthcare to what else am i gonna say?

If anyone wants to challenge me to a debate on healthcare in the US then im up for that. Just leave the topic a open enough for a broader argument.
Posted by Chiblade 9 years ago
Chiblade
Con obviously didn't have their heart in what they were saying. And their Governments Of The World United argument was basically a desperate cop out. That said, neither side argued this debate really well.

I would have like to see a LOT more facts on both sides. Evidence people! If someone with a good degree of credibility doesn't agree with you then why should I? And no matter what you say (new world health care order) if you give me some really good evidence then i gotta take you seriously. As it is, I didn't have to take you seriously and so I didn't.
Posted by repete21 9 years ago
repete21
I agree with you on this agrument, I didnt mean to accept
Posted by willact723 9 years ago
willact723
Although i DO believe UHC is a what we need. This was a poorly argued debate. I have to give my vote for the Pro.
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