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Excutient
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harrytruman
Pro (for)

Implementing communism will negatively impact society

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Started: 9/23/2016 Category: Economics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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Excutient

Con

Communism as a system (as described in the communist manifesto) would be a Utopian way of living for everyone, we all work for what we need, there is little to no greediness(1), society advances more than we see today (money is needed for research).

Also, if every healthy adult is employed there is no need for one to work as much as they do in today's capitalist system.

There are many other benefits.

If you are to argue a point, please explain it.

(1) - https://www.reference.com...
harrytruman

Pro

Implementing communism will negatively impact society in a number of ways:
1. An All-powerfull communist state is dangerous to the liberties of the people, and is guarenteed to result is massacres, coups, and corruption since- power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely.
2. Removing the free market will destroy work incentives, reducing productivity as well as impairing the economy. Fact is the goveronment is terrible at finance, let aloe running an entire economy; "If you put the federal government in charge of the Sahara Desert, in five years there’d be a shortage of sand."- Milton Freidman.


Debate Round No. 1
Excutient

Con

1. You say that communism is dangerous to the liberties of people, but do we see people expressing their liberties in our current "capitalist/democratic" system? When you say "all power" I take it you are talking about a few people having all state power, in communism everyone has power, the government have to do what the people ask for, otherwise they are kicked out, so this is not "all power", the power of the government belongs to the majority.

2. I sincerely hope you do not just work for money. People will be productive if they have something to work for, which is true- people work for what they need and for the benefit of society. Work in communism can be enjoyable and less tiring than we see today as there will be more workers.

You suggest that the free market (which is part of capitalism) will impair the economy, but in communism there is no value on things, so there is no economy, people take what they need.

Do you believe that all people(7 billion humans) genuinely have a chance at becoming as wealthy as Bill Gates? (sources)
harrytruman

Pro

"You say that communism is dangerous to the liberties of people, but do we see people expressing their liberties in our current "capitalist/democratic" system? When you say "all power" I take it you are talking about a few people having all state power, in communism everyone has power, the government have to do what the people ask for, otherwise they are kicked out, so this is not "all power", the power of the government belongs to the majority."

How will a communist society where the goveronment has more powerr somehow keep polititians who want to be dictators and don't care about the people outof office? This idea which you are having is called democracy, and most countries today have it, yet this idealism which you are claiming would cme true simply isn't the case for most countries. How can communism fixthis issue of corruption in democracy? What would be different?

I'd like to think that I can just trust my life with a bunch of beurocrats, but I can't because I know beter. Fact is the goveronment cannot be trusted with anything, that's why its supposed to be limited.

"I sincerely hope you do not just work for money. People will be productive if they have something to work for, which is true- people work for what they need and for the benefit of society. Work in communism can be enjoyable and less tiring than we see today as there will be more workers."

Some people work soley for the benefit of society, not most; besides, we all should be able to as individuels manage our own finance, our own work, and our own consumption, after all- why knows what's best for you better thaan you yourself?

"You suggest that the free market (which is part of capitalism) will impair the economy, but in communism there is no value on things, so there is no economy, people take what they need."

No, the free market is the economy, and if this were implemented you would have a massive problem with mooching- in fact, there were towns in the early 1st century C.E. that went commie after Paul the apostle came through them. Jamestown, a communist settlement in the 1600's, had the exact same issue, so their leaders, the apostle paul and Captain John Smith came out with a solution and it was the exact same solution:
"If a man does not work neither shall heeat." - Captain John Smith, 2 Thesselonians 3:10

"Do you believe that all people(7 billion humans) genuinely have a chance at becoming as wealthy as Bill Gates? (sources)."

If they have an idea that is as great an idea as him, they are as determined and hard working as him, and they get the same resources as him,then yes, every individuel one of them has just as good a shot as he did.
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Posted by Lonely-Bird 1 year ago
Lonely-Bird
As Von Hayek believed that the economy should be dealt with by unelected technocrats we must conclude that capitalism while requiring democracy to exist is inherently anti-democratic. It is unconcerned with anything beyond accumulation and reproduction of itself and capital, period. Mixed systems always allow democracy to flourish as well as the people to flourish. There is no answer to any political question to be found in the so-called non-existent free market. In point of opinion there is no one more utopian than a free market conservative.
Posted by BackCommander 1 year ago
BackCommander
Pro your argument, like every Anti-Communist argument, only applies to one or two generations into this hypothetical society. People today are selfish and short-sighted, if these people die off without spreading their bastard ideals to their children then their children would work simply because it benefits their society, and they would do good work because the better the work, the better their society. People would have the liberties they need, the next generation wouldn't lose liberties, in the same way that you didn't LOSE the right to throw your deformed child off a cliff since it wouldn't make a fitting warrior. That's a right you didn't need. Communism's only downfall is that people corrupt it, but at least in communism you are taught to fight for your people, not for your government. Keeps the powers that be in check.
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