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funwiththoughts
Con (against)
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Defro
Pro (for)
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In 12 Angry Men, the boy is guilty

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/16/2014 Category: Movies
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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funwiththoughts

Con

This debate concerns the movie 12 Angry Men. The movie is about a jury who are each gradually convinced that a boy on trial is in fact not guilty, but neither they nor the audience ever finds out for sure. The BOP will lie on Pro for this debate, and Pro will present his argument in the first round.
Defro

Pro

I accept.

Thank you for instigating such in interesting debate. 12 Angry Men was one of my favorite films. The acting was brilliant. However, I have a disclaimer:

*Disclaimer
-Regardless of who instigates the debate, none of the contenders can decide who has BoP in most cases. BoP is on the person who makes a claim, unless that claim is questioning another claim. In this cases, Con has made a pretty clear, strong, and positive claim: the boy is guilty, therefore BoP is on Con. However, while I am not obligated to, I am also willing to share some of the BoP.

Guilty (adj): having committed an offense, crime, violation, or wrong, especially against moral or penal law; justly subject to a certain accusation or penalty; culpable. [1]



Main Arguments:

-The jury took place in the United States.
-In the United States, there is a tennant that they follow derived from the English Common Law and entered the US law through a Supreme Court: Persons charged with crime are innocent until they are proven by competent evidence to be guilty. [2]
-This is supported by the 5th, 6th, and 14th amendments which the United States also follows. [3][4][5]
-The boy was not proven guilty with competent evidence.
-In fact, the jury deemed him innocent, with the incompetent evidence in consideration, and the boy was let go.

-Therefore, the boy is not guilty.





Sources:

[1] http://dictionary.reference.com...

[2] http://faculty.cua.edu...

[3] http://www.law.cornell.edu...

[4] http://www.law.cornell.edu...

[5] http://www.law.cornell.edu...


Debate Round No. 1
funwiththoughts

Con

My opponent is Pro. Therefore it is his job to uphold the resolution. He is arguing that the boy is guilty, while I am arguing that he is not. Since my opponent has conceded the debate in the first round I win by default.
Defro

Pro

lol oops...this was a mistake and I'm an idiot.

I was confused, and the comment in the comment section confused me even more as to which stance I was taking. Sorry for wasting your time.

As this was a misunderstanding, I request that no one vote!
Debate Round No. 2
funwiththoughts

Con

funwiththoughts forfeited this round.
Defro

Pro

My apologies to Con. Again, this was a mistake.

Please no one vote!
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
guys take a look at this
http://www.avclub.com...
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Posted by Kaitlyn014 2 years ago
Kaitlyn014
I don't find him guilty seeing how the jury members figured out it was impossible for the women to see through the moving train that the boy stabbed his father. another thing that they found was that there was no way possible for the neighbor to hear the sound of the killing if the train was going through as well.
Posted by Flipz 2 years ago
Flipz
Ha, I wrote a paper arguing for his guilt.
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Vote Placed by Romanii 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: should be a no vote debate...
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Reasons for voting decision: wylted voted; con forfeited; pro surrendered, and sources go against his favor
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro should have refuted his own arguments in the following round and provided his own. Despite requesting no votes. I will vote as con didn't agree to this request. Pro argued against the resolution and didn't refute his own arguments. So he loses argument points. Conduct goes to pro for forfeit. Pro was the only one to use sources.