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In Canada the Drink Age should be raised from 18 to 21

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Skeptikitten
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/11/2013 Category: Health
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
Viewed: 6,110 times Debate No: 32387
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Peace123

Pro

I believe that, Here in Canada, The permanent drinking age should be raised to 21. When people turn 18/19 they are still to young and trying to figure them selves out. Under the influence of alcohol can and will ruin there life. And They also don't know hazards and what responsible drinking is. Raising the Drinking age, would prevent: Less Care Crashes due to drunk drivers, and less drunk sex.
Skeptikitten

Con

I accept this challenge.

I intend to demonstrate that raising the drinking age does not accomplish any significant reduction in alcohol related fatalities or crimes, nor is it commensurate with other responsibilities legally placed upon those 18 or 19 years of age in Canada.

A note- as I am American, a member of a nation that once raised its drinking age from 18 to 21, I will be using the data on this change in the United States as a statistical example.
Debate Round No. 1
Peace123

Pro

Peace123 forfeited this round.
Skeptikitten

Con

As Pro has forfeited Round 2, he clearly does not mean to fulfill his Burden of Proof to support his claims. Thus I will begin Round 2 by refuting the points of his initial argument.

Rebuttal-

Point 1: Pro claims 18 or 19 is too young to understand responsible drinking

Pro has failed to provide any evidence that two or three extra years will somehow make a young person understand the ramifications of irresponsible alcohol use, as there is no system in place in Canada to teach such to young people. Nor is there any evidence that 21 year olds are any better at "figuring themselves out" than 18 year olds.

Point 2: Pro claims less car crashes due to intoxication will occur if the drinking age is raised

The Cato Institute published a study on the results of the MLDA21 (Minimum Legal Drinking Age at 21) being instituted in the United States, and found that in the vast majority of states the increase in drinking age only provided an extremely short term drop in car crash fatalities in 18-20 year olds, which rebounded within under three years to previous rates (and in many cases higher rates). In addition, many states saw an increase in fatalities among 18-20 year olds as well as 17 year olds. They concluded that when the drinking age was 18, 17 year olds accessed alcohol through peer networks; when the drinking age was raised those under 21 felt an increased pressure to drink excessively on each occasion as they felt unsure of their ability to obtain alcohol. In addition, they found that many 17 year olds were willing to wait the single year until 18 to consume alcohol legally, but unwilling to wait four years until the age of 21 and thus became law breakers.

http://www.cato.org...

Point 3: Pro claims less drunk sex would occur if the drinking age is raised

Considering that those under 21 make up the vast majority of undergraduate college students, this claim is obviously incorrect. The United States Department of Health and Human Services performed research on the state of college students in regards to drinking and sex. 80% of all college students report drinking, despite it being illegal under a drinking age of 21. 80-90% of students also have sexual intercourse, and almost 50% of their unplanne sexual encounters are conducted under the influence of alcohol. 80% have their first sexual experience due to alcohol, and by senior year 81% have had sex under the influence of alcohol. 40% of college men report feeling that it is okay to force sex on a drunk woman, 75% of admitted date rapists state using alcohol purposefully to get the woman drunk enough for sex, and 60% of STDs are transmitted when the participants are drunk.

http://www.georgiahealth.edu...



Clearly raising the drinking age from 18 to 21 in the United States did not lead to a reduction in car crashes and fatalities due to alcohol, nor did it lead to a reduction in irresponsible sexual behavior due to the influence of alcohol. There is no god reason to believe that these things would be lowered in Canada by doing the same.
Pro has not met his BOP to show that any of his claims regarding alcohol use by those under the legal drinking age are correct.
Debate Round No. 2
Peace123

Pro

Peace123 forfeited this round.
Skeptikitten

Con

Apparently Pro does not intend to make an argument at all.


Vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by GDawg 3 years ago
GDawg
Wow, stuck in the dark ages are we? Belgium and Italy have drinking ages at 16 without drunk driving problems, so you are ignorant that we are better off raising it. If the kid wants to drink, he will drink, if he wants to be responsible, he will be responsible. I am 99.99% sure that when you raise the drinking age to 21, nothing will change about the drunk driving deaths. I'm glad you are fascist about our Cannabis laws and arresting sick people who use the plant to get through their lives daily. Teenagers already smoke pot and you need to be 18 or 21 to get the drug from the dispensaries in Colorado or Washington. I'm guessing your dad is probably a cop or judge that listens to Rush Limbaugh's radio show and fed you BS when you were growing up.
Posted by GWL-CPA 3 years ago
GWL-CPA
Hopefully, MADD's - mothers against drunk drivers campaign in Canada will get the drinking age in Canada raised to 21.

Drinking and drug abuse are growing too rapidly in both Canada and the USA, and the governments of both countries will have to take the necessary action. The first action in Canada will be to raise the drinking age to 21, if they are smart. Canada has much tougher pot laws than the USA, so does the USA at the Federal Level. It won't take long before the FEDs raid and shut down the pot shops in Colorado and Washington State.

Then what will all you little pot smoking teenagers do?

These states that are legalizing marijuana in violation of Federal Laws need to be shut down. A JO group like NORML has to be shut down too.
Posted by GWL-CPA 3 years ago
GWL-CPA
Borderline Harassment is a joke. You are very funny.

This is another stupid debate.

No sane person believes that drinking age in any country should be 18, just based on the number of reduced traffic deaths by having the drinking age at 21.

There are other serious social consequences by having drinking ages below 21; but, does not matter at this site because mainly immature teenagers vote on these debates.

The sane adults that rule the USA know the facts. The drinking age in the USA will remain 21. I have corresponded with officials in Canada via email, and most sane people in Canada are now realizing that the drinking age should be higher, which is why only 3 of the 13 provinces in Canada have a drinking age of 18. In the other 10 provinces in Canada, the drinking age is 19. This is because the drinking and driving death rate among teenagers is very high.
http://www.ccsa.ca...

Overview
OverviewImpaired driving is a deadly and persistent problem in Canada. On average, it claims between 1,250 and 1,500 lives and causes close to 64,000 injuries in Canada each year.

Young people are at particular risk. Approximately 45% of youth crash deaths are alcohol-related, and statistics indicate that one in every three people who dies in an alcohol-related crash is under the age of 25.

Despite federal and provincial/territorial laws and penalties, police enforcement and awareness efforts, and despite the obvious risk of crash, death and injury, Canadians are still getting behind the wheel impaired. The estimated number of impaired driving trips taken in Canada each year is 12.5 million.

It doesn"t just happen on the roads. Every year, people are also killed on boats, ATVs and snowmobiles because the operators and/or riders are impaired.
http://www.madd.ca...

It is too bad there are so many teenagers that vote of debates like this instead
Posted by Fictional_Truths1 3 years ago
Fictional_Truths1
Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa............ GWL, instead of trying to debate in the comments like a jack*ss, why not formally put this debate in the challenge period? I realize a lot of time has passed, but for crying out loud, this is borderline harassment.
Posted by Fictional_Truths1 3 years ago
Fictional_Truths1
Like a boss.
Posted by Skeptikitten 4 years ago
Skeptikitten
I again could not care less.

GWL was not involved in the debate, and I was not interested in continuing the conversation. I only took the debate in the first place because as a newcomer I was relatively restricted in what debates I could accept.
Posted by GeekiTheGreat 4 years ago
GeekiTheGreat
Because of an FF
Posted by GeekiTheGreat 4 years ago
GeekiTheGreat
GWL made very good points though skepti, and the only reason this debate is over is because your opponent lost.
Posted by GWL-CPA 4 years ago
GWL-CPA
Whatever, you are still very intellectually dishonest.
Posted by Skeptikitten 4 years ago
Skeptikitten
You are wasting a vast amount of time here. This debate is long over and quite frankly I could not care less.
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