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infam0us
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In Modern Warfare 2, the UMP .45 is overpowered.

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infam0us
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/25/2010 Category: Entertainment
Updated: 6 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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infam0us

Con

Overpowered: gratuitously and overly effective/powerful.

As con, I believe the UMP .45 is completely balanced and is not worthy of the term 'overpowered.' I will allow pro to open with their case as to why he thinks the UMP is overpowered. Please do not take this debate if you intend to forfeit. If you disagree with my definition of overpowered, leave a note in the comments and I'll try to change it more to your liking.

As for sources, Call of Duty wikis are acceptable. As for rules, be polite, constructive, and don't be pushy with semantics. Let the debate begin. Good luck to whomever chooses to take me up on this.
xxdarkxx

Pro

I would like to thank my opponent for starting this debate and wish you the best of luck.

For my first point I would like to bring to light the fact that the UMP .45 has the highest damage and accuracy out of all the sub machine guns[1]. Even though the ump .45 is a gun that is unlocked at default. As the mini-uzi is the last sub machine gun to be unlocked it would be reasonable to believe that this gun would have the highest damage and accuracy. The ump is able to kill very fast and very effectively.

The ump .45 also has higher damage than any of the assault rifles[2], light machine guns [3] the riot shield[4] and the m21-ebr[5]. Thus it is stronger than every weapon in the game spare the intervention, barrett 50cal, and the WA2000. Yet it is still a weapon that you do not even need to unlock, you have it from the beginning. Seems pretty overpowered.

[1] http://www.modernwarfare247.com...
[2] http://www.modernwarfare247.com...
[3] http://www.modernwarfare247.com...
[4] http://www.modernwarfare247.com...
[5] http://www.modernwarfare247.com...
Debate Round No. 1
infam0us

Con

RPM = rounds per minute

1a. The UMP .45 does 35-40 damage [1]. The FAMAS does 30-40 damage except shoots all three bullets at once at 925 RPM [2]. The FAMAS, according to my opponent's own source for assault rifles, is much more accurate. Therefore, the FAMAS is going to be more effective than the UMP at every range except close which would mean the UMP isn't overpowered.

1b. The UMP has a fire rate of 630 RPM which is the lowest RPM out of all guns in the game [1]. Although the UMP has high damage per bullet, its low accuracy and "relatively higher than assault rifle" recoil will make it tough to land every shot needed for the kill. Factor this in with extremely poor rate of fire and it leads to very poor performance at mid and long range. Cross apply my 1a and you'll see that the FAMAS clearly has an advantage at mid and long range. Close range advantage for the UMP is irrelevant since all SMGs dominate close quarters.

1c. The UMP .45 technically has the worst damage per second out of any gun in the game. It only shoots 10.5 rounds per second when going full auto. However, in order to be effective with it at long range, players will have to shoot it much slower than full auto. The ACR unloads 750 RPM which adds up to 12.5 rounds per second [3]. Factor this in with the fact that the ACR literally has no recoil, is far more accurate and can do a max of 30 damage per bullet, it becomes more effective than the UMP at every range. Due to no recoil, the player can take full advantage of the ACR's 12.5 rounds per second.

Conclusion: The UMP is certainly not overpowered. Vote con.

Sources

1. http://callofduty.wikia.com...
2. http://callofduty.wikia.com...
3. http://callofduty.wikia.com...
xxdarkxx

Pro

xxdarkxx forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
infam0us

Con

Extend my arguments.
xxdarkxx

Pro

xxdarkxx forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
infam0us

Con

Zzzzz. :(
xxdarkxx

Pro

I apologize for my lack of response.

Furthermore i apologize for even taking this debate, when i excepted this debate i expected that i would be able to find some hint of the UMP .45 being overpowered. I at first thought that it having the second highest damage in the game would be able to fully back this. However after playing Modern Warfare 2 on the PS3 (psn name=XxdarkhorizonxX *add me* :D) over the past week for a very... very long time (i gained a whole prestige level) I have come to the conclusion that the UMP .45... sucks. On average i would get under ten kills a game using only the UMP with marathon pro lightweight pro and commando pro (or substituting in slight of hand pro or stopping power pro.) Where as normally using either the Intervention (FMJ) or the M16A4 (Holographic sights) with striker (FMJ) as secondary i average 15-20 kills per game. With the exception of some games like the one in the screen shot [1] however i somehow managed to lose that game even though i pretty much scored half of my teams points...

[1] http://img21.imageshack.us...
(easier to see if you zoom out)

In conclusion, i concede.
Vote CON.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by m93samman 6 years ago
m93samman
I have a friend who's all about the UMP. He called in a tactical nuke with it, going 71kills-15deaths overall in the game.
Posted by oakley198 6 years ago
oakley198
one thing i don't like about the ump45 is that in a CQC situation as an SMG it should win against an ar because of its ROF not its damage. if you add the silencer some people can still two-three shot you as silencers in this game seem to make everything better (other than snipers)
Posted by Narwal19 6 years ago
Narwal19
agreed
Posted by twin 6 years ago
twin
personally, if its an smg, i prefer it to be a fast shooting gun as opposed to more powerful, however, i don't believe the ump is "overpowered". people really do just like to complain.
Posted by infam0us 6 years ago
infam0us
i agree. people just like to complain.
Posted by Danielle 6 years ago
Danielle
No friggin way is the UMP over-powered. I use that gun all the time and even with the red dot sight I find it to be incredibly inaccurate. I realize that the numbers say it's fairly accurate; however, it almost feels like there's a massive amount of recoil and it seems to never shoot on target. Similarly, it sucks at anything other than close range. I'd say it has the same range as a shot-gun! Okay so maybe not that bad... but close. I don't even use the red dot sight because it's such a waste.
Posted by infam0us 6 years ago
infam0us
go ahead and google it. it's becoming an increasingly popular statement, one of my close friends who is quite good at the game (2.6 kd/r) claims that it is extremely overpowered.
Posted by Xer 6 years ago
Xer
I haven't heard many people say the UMP .45 is overpowered.
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