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In terms of protecting national security, should torture be allowed?

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Started: 4/30/2014 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Heisenberg13

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If someone harbors information that can be legitimately deemed a threat to national security, the federal government should be allowed to torture said person to retrieve said information.
jhs20381

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Whenever one considers a moral dilemma involving government, a good place to start is to ask yourself the following: "Would I like to live in a world where governments everywhere can apply these same principles in different situations that might arise?"

First, if the government is considering torturing someone to get information, it obviously means they presume the individual possesses that information. They don't know that ahead of time. In other words, they are torturing someone based on a suspicion, which is not even a suspicion of wrongdoing, but simply a suspicion that the individual has unspecified information. Does that sound like a reasonable standard to torture someone?

There are also legal arguments that can easily be made. The convention against torture does not include national security exceptions, for good reason. War is precisely the scenario where torture is likely to take place, and that is precisely where it needs to be prohibited. No country can claim to be exempt from this requirement.

Debate Round No. 1
Heisenberg13

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jhs20381

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Again, let's consider when a government should be permitted to inflict pain against someone. Some people might say "never." It's cruel and unusual punishment. But there's a more fundamental problem: You don't punish people or inflict pain, unless they've been found guilty of something. That's what due process is for. You simply should never torture people, but you should definitely not torture them based on suspicion alone.

Debate Round No. 2
Heisenberg13

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jhs20381

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Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by Benshapiro 3 years ago
Benshapiro
All forms of torture? Or specific forms of torture such as water boarding?
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