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In the Bible, the term "church" is a generic term

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Started: 1/11/2015 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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The term 'church' can apply to both Old Testament as well as New Testament body of believers. The term can also apply to apostate as well as the true body of believers.

By use of the generic the book of Revelation is revealed.

As Pro I will use the Bible to prove the generic nature of the subject matter. Con may use any source to refute and good luck Con.


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Debate Round No. 1


And God has set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. (I Corinthians 12:28)

In chapters 2 and3 of the book of Revelation there is not 1 message addressed to any church either local or universal. Every message is addressed to an angel.

Angels do not lead people to God. On the contrary, the purpose of angels is separation from God. Examples-

1) satan in the form of a serpent tricked Eve into sin, (Genesis 3:1). Sin is separation from God.
2) an angel was given a flaming sword to keep mankind from the Tree of Life, (Genesis 3:24).

There is another example of angels separating mankind from God-

3) the angels cover the Mercy Seat, (Exodus 25:20)


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Debate Round No. 2


"A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump." (Jesus of Nazareth)


In terms of formal religion-

Before the Crucifixion all religion was based on work, whether the participant had to give a sacrifice or perform a service, etc.

The Angels have their position based on works.

In chapters 2 and 3 of the book of Revelation the angel/messenger/(what ever you want to call the being(s) that the letters are addressed to) have their relationship to God based on works.


1 Angelic doctrine is works.
2 Formal religion is works.
3 Chapter 2 and 3 Revelation is works.


Two questions:

1 How do you put Salvation by Grace into formal religion that is based on works?

2 What happens when Angelic doctrine of works comes into contact with Grace?


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Debate Round No. 3


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