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Incest should not be considered in the legality of abortion.

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Started: 2/7/2018 Category: Health
Updated: 1 week ago Status: Post Voting Period
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kingofzdom

Pro

Incest should not be considered in the legality of abortion.

I often hear moderate arguments about abortion to include something along the lines of "Abortion should only be legal in cases of rape or incest."

While the condition of rape has at least some logical and clear reasoning as to why it should be considered in the legality of abortion, nothing I have read beyond the dangers of inbreeding seems to support that being conceived in incest should be handled any differently that one not conceived in incest.
WOLF.J

Con

Hello my friend, before we discuss the abortion aspect, lets firstly talk about incest. Now like most young men, I'm a long term porn addict. In porn, incest is one of the most popular categories due to the overexposure and exploitation of the oepidus/electra effects, which is the tabboo lust towards your parents. Bc of porn, incest has become modern fantasy for young teens. HOWEVER, when you mature, and when actually research about incest, you will find that it truly is a disgusting, immoral act. Pleasure aside the long term effects are damaging.

These effects include;
Increased chance of a disabled kid, hence the need for abortion if it occurs
Social ostracism
Pregnancy difficulties n PNDepression

All that for an intense orgasm, why risk it?!?

Would you get yo momma pregnant ?- If u say no, your argument is dead in the water boy!
Debate Round No. 1
kingofzdom

Pro

It being a disgusting and immoral act is purely from a societal standpoint and has only been considered a taboo recently. Historically, it has been entirely acceptable behavior. Do something merely being a social taboo constitute it being used solely as reasoning for something so controversial and important as abortion? My point is that a child conceived in incest (which, despite what was stated before, is most frequently between cousins and similar distant family rather than within a "nuclear" family) should be treated no differently than any other consequentially conceived child.

From experience with observing my local feline populations, it takes between four and seven generations of inbreeding before any major genetic deficiencies become prevalent. Many modern genetic studies on both animals and humans also confirm that the likelihood of a defect due to incest to be significantly lower than is generally believed. The chances of a birth defect formed from a first generation incestual relationship is 4%, not significantly higher than the non-incestual chances of 2%. This applies to difficulties in pregnancy and P.N. Depression as well.

the social side of your argument is wholly invalid. Americans have the right to choose to engage in incestuous activities and can choose to be open about it or keep it a secret if they want. This argument is Ceteris paribus to a baby conceived legally and consensually in every other respect. This is a question of if the abortion of a consensually conceived child that is a product of incest should be handled any differently than if a child was not conceived in incest.

This isn't a question of if incest is moral or ethical but rather if the law should treat incest pregnancies any differently when it comes to abortion.
WOLF.J

Con

Well no it is a question of morality, why else would it frowned upon socially. Only reclusive folk and Muslims marrying their cousins for culture n gene retainment today, otherwise incest is purely for pleasure . Secondly if a women wanted to abort the incest baby, your argument becomes invalid bc youre acting like its normal! The chances of the effects i mentioned, whether low or not, are still significantly higher in comparison to a normal baby. And yes, it will be treated differently, i mean imagine telling yr kid that You're his brother. Urghh puke puke, vomit die...
Debate Round No. 2
kingofzdom

Pro

"Incest should not be considered in the legality of abortion."

That's the title of this debate. Legality. This is about the legality of it all, being able to look past the superficial social taboo to see if conception in incest is different than a regular conception in respect to abortion and law.

You make a generalization that incest is purely for pleasure. Personal fact: A close friend of mine has been in a healthy relationship with her first cousin for about fifteen years. You have no statistics or logic to back up that a higher percent of incestuous relationships are purely sexual than standard relationships.

As for the defects, that's a different argument. Should babies that have genetic defects in general be aborted? That's an entirely different debate. Incest does not guarantee defects. That's like giving anyone with any genetic deficiencies permission to abort their child which is, again, not the aim of this debate.

I don't know how every single one of my arguments are invalid because incest babies are neither common nor socially acceptable. That doesn't change that they do exist and should NOT be given special treatment.

The idea behind this was that you take two women who both became pregnant. Woman A was consensually impregnated by a non-family member. Woman B was consensually impregnated by her brother. Woman A is denied an abortion while woman B is granted an abortion. This is not right.
WOLF.J

Con

Well you and are friend are a bunch of weirdos. You make me sick, best if u reset this sh1t bc you clearly think incest is fine, urrrrggggghh, bet yo uncle molested u kid!
Debate Round No. 3
kingofzdom

Pro

You've yet to give a reason why exactly its wrong other than that its wrong. And that's some basic cyclical logic right there.

Also, that's still Not. What. The. Debate. Is. About.
WOLF.J

Con

Pro enjoys incest with his momma!
Debate Round No. 4
kingofzdom

Pro

Con doesn't understand how a debate works.
WOLF.J

Con

Vote Pro if you think he needs couples therapy w/ his momma n poppa!
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by WOLF.J 2 weeks ago
WOLF.J
In it
Posted by Ball-Gina 2 weeks ago
Ball-Gina
wtf!?!
Posted by WOLF.J 2 weeks ago
WOLF.J
Immortality equals illegality
Posted by WOLF.J 2 weeks ago
WOLF.J
IDC, You're disgusting
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