The Instigator
VinhVuong
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l2jperry
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Income taxes should be abolished. Flat/Fair tax should be in.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/11/2008 Category: Politics
Updated: 9 years ago Status: Voting Period
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VinhVuong

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Mr 12jPerry,
I disagree with you that people under the age of 18 should not be taxed. But I see that you disagree about having Flat.Fair. Tax. I believe that is the best way to improve our economy, middle class, the poor and etc. Paying income tax I believe should not be used. People work hard to earn their money and we take a huge chunk of what they make? Our Government should not be able to take money from our income period. They should have just a flat tax and sales tax is ok.

Then taxing under the age of 18. I think it depends. Kids are maturing real fast and that they are working harder for a lot of money as well. I think that if you have a job then you should pay taxes. You are a working person now and you should pay the flat tax, not the income tax..as I stated income tax should be abolished.

To close my opening argument, I believe that having income tax is wrong. We should have a flat tax, and teens who have a job should be taxed.
l2jperry

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I'm going to ignore the arguement for teens under 18 paying taxes, because this debate is about the replacing of the income tax with the flat/fair tax.

I am completely against the fair tax, that would be worse in many ways then the income tax.

As for the flat tax, it would be better, but i'm still not in favor of it. Why should we replace it with anything? The income tax was put in effect after an amendment was made to the constitution to allow it. This was proposed by Senator Nelson Aldrich, an uncle to John Rockefellor. The income tax was only placed in effect so that the U.S. could borrow more credit from the Federal Reserve. We need to desperately change our monetary policy. We shouldn't give the government any more money until they spend reasonably and put in effect a monetary policy that is constitutional. Money that is controlled by the U.S. congress, not fiat money that is controlled by foriegn greedy bankers.

I probably shouldn't have taken this debate because I have too many right now, and not enough time for all of them. So I thought i'd keep it short.
Debate Round No. 1
VinhVuong

Pro

Fair/Flat tax is probably a great idea. It has less control for government, the government would still get money, people would not have to pay for their hard earned money and the United States Government should know better to spend money. Besides stopping income tax would make it so reccession would probably end, the dollar goes up, people can pay for mortgage, health insurance and etc.

Our government was built so it would guide us and help us. They wern't meant to take money from your income and to stop the rights of bare arms and etc. Government shouldnt have to much power like they are now. Placing flat/fair tax would be a big step in this progess.
l2jperry

Con

First off a flat tax and a fair tax are two very different things.

Secondly, the income tax is just a way for the government to piss away more paper money from the federal reserve.

We need to get rid of it, and replace it with nothing.

It was only supposed to be there for a short period of time to fund the war.

Like I said flat tax would be better, fair tax would be worse.

I don't support either because the government needs to get it's spending undercontrol, and the only way to do that is to give them less money.
Debate Round No. 2
VinhVuong

Pro

VinhVuong forfeited this round.
l2jperry

Con

l2jperry forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by clsmooth 9 years ago
clsmooth
Whoops, my bad. I agree with you all the way, then.
Posted by l2jperry 9 years ago
l2jperry
CLS, I think you meant to agree with me, i'm the one who thinks people under 18 should not have to pay taxes because they are not given the right to vote. Vin thought the other way.
Posted by iadebater 9 years ago
iadebater
NM I was wrong...RON PAUL REVOLUTION
Posted by iadebater 9 years ago
iadebater
...Ron Paul supports a fair tax..... still...RON PAUL REVOLUTION.
Posted by clsmooth 9 years ago
clsmooth
I wish you guys would have kept it up. I agree with VinhVuong that citizens should not be taxed if they cannot vote. The Constitution prohibits states from denying the right to vote on the basis of age to anyone 18 or over. But nothing prohibits a state from extending the franchise to younger people. I'd like to see 15-year-olds get the vote.

I'm with l2perry that the Fair Tax would be worse in many ways than the current system.
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