The Instigator
teddy1888
Pro (for)
Losing
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The Contender
16kadams
Con (against)
Winning
27 Points

Increased Handgun Control is Unconstitutional

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16kadams
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 5/13/2012 Category: Politics
Updated: 5 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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teddy1888

Pro

First round will be definitions and premises established. Definitions and premises may be challenged or agreed upon. Arguments should be in regard to morals as well as plausibility.

Resolution- Increased Gun Control is Unconstitutional

Definitions:
Handgun- firearm designed to have the potential to be held and operated by one hand although not necessarily used that way.

Unconstitutional- not in accordance with an applicable constitution of a nation.

Constitution- The document referred to as the supreme law of the land adopted on September 17, 1787 at the U.S Constitutional Convention.

Premises (Open to Challenge)
1) Guns are not inherently evil and fulfill functions that have been crucial and useful to human society.
2) The right to bear arms is stated explicitly in the US Constitution under the fundamental Bill of Rights
16kadams

Con

This is a devils advocate, it may melt my brain to do this debate :P

My opponents arguments:

1. Guns are not evil

This is irrelevant to the premise at steak, we are arguing the constitutionality of the handgun bans. But many international studies have shown that increased gun availability causes more violent crimes. [1] But once again this point is irrelevant.

2. Second amendment

My opponents line of argumentation only works if the second amendment actually was pro gun. The debate over this amendment began in the 20th century when gun crimes became a rising issue in modern day life. People for and against guns began to read the amendment differently. The word militia is used as national guard in modern terms. "The Supreme Court, in permitting the United States to apply a stamp tax to sawed-off shotguns (a move, it was argued, that was intended to make such weapons de facto illegal), essentially said that if a weapon does not contribute to the maintenance of a militia, and has no use in ensuring the common defense, it can be regulated (United States v. Miller, 307 US 174 [1939])."[2] "The Second Amendment is the most misunderstood provision contained in the Bill of Rights. The purpose of the Second Amendment is to guarantee the states' ability to maintain independent militias composed of state residents available to be called upon to defend the country should its security be threatened. The Founding Fathers' reliance on state militias to perform this military task stemmed from their deep distrust of a standing federal army." [3] "For starters, Winkler told Jeserich, the noble founding fathers, those folks who put the right to keep and bear arms in the founding document of this great nation, were not at all opposed to gun control. They had all kinds of gun laws -- most notably laws barring black people from owning guns. They also required that all muskets be regularly inspected and registered."[4]

Refuted



[1] http://www.gun-control-network.org...
[2] http://www.usconstitution.net...
[3] http://www.vpc.org...
[4] http://www.sfbg.com...
Debate Round No. 1
teddy1888

Pro

teddy1888 forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
teddy1888

Pro

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Debate Round No. 3
teddy1888

Pro

teddy1888 forfeited this round.
16kadams

Con

I know I argued horribly in this debate btw, but this forfeit = I win
Debate Round No. 4
teddy1888

Pro

teddy1888 forfeited this round.
16kadams

Con

Guess who wins? Con
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by thett3 5 years ago
thett3
You're welcome ^.^
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