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India should give Pakistan Kashmir for smooth bilateral relationships in future

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Started: 6/8/2015 Category: Politics
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Post Voting Period
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plagarists

Pro

For the proper functioning of the Indo-Pak bilateral relations India should give
Pakistan Jammu to prevent repeated cease fire violations and save the lives of militia of both the countries. Moreover, a constant power tussle between the two South Asian nations is becoming a breeding ground for international display of the supremity of one country over another. Also showing the drawbacks of one country or the other, the countries are putting themselves in a vulnerable position.
AKhattak

Con

I guess I can start right away.
If you demand for India to withdraw from East Kashmir Pakistan should also withdraw from West Kashmir (Which includes Northern Areas like Gilgit, Chitral etc) in order for it to be fair and just.
Also being majority Muslim does not mean that they want to be a part of Pakistan. Historically speaking the elected govt of Kashmir (majority Muslim headed by a Muslim) opted for independent Kashmir not Pakistan.
Debate Round No. 1
plagarists

Pro

Kudos to you for accepting the debate, albeit the controversial nature of the topic, good luck...

Well to start off, the world is not all white and black, all is grey pertaining to bilateral relations between Indo-Pak relations. Bombs and bullets are are like food and water from them, sometimes the latter i not available while the former is... Historically speaking, Kashmir signed a memorandum to join India because it wanted, sorry absolutely required her help to fend off enemies trying to invade lands. In this quest for lands, can you even imagine how many people are losing their lives on a daily basis? How many humans(Army as well as residents) on both sides of the border do not live to see the night, or the light of the next day, that after having the protection of the Indian Army. Supposedly, I go with your concept of an independent nation, do you think Kashmir would have the ability or populace to fend of another attack, because as we see now, Pakistan is in a mad rage to occupy those lands, which according to them is theirs? How many people are going to die then? Mass genocide will be a confirmed future event and we would see Kashmiri lands soaking with the blood of her children. Do you opt for this??

Hence, in these turbulent times, the only option Kashmir actually has is to take either side, India or Pakistan, and while the present shouts out loud, keeping Kashmir in India, is breaking its backbone and eliminating hopes for itself. That is if they do not want their death toll higher than the Holocaust.

As my worthy opponent says, it is not the view of every resident in the state of Kashmir to join Pakistan, but a single person is only entitled to chose his/her future and not the future of the whole state. The majority is what decides the future, and as the situation stands in the present, Kashmir could really do with some peace and respite.
AKhattak

Con

Giving Kashmir to Pakistan does not guarantee peace and security to Kashmir. India will not back down from its legally justified claim to Kashmir. Pakistan is not after Kashmir for land or resources but rather to for the sake of Pakistan Ideology. Should India give up Kashmir it will open new issues between the two countries. Pakistan still views the Indian provinces of East Punjab, Hyderabad and Jonagarh as rightfully Pakistani the resolution of Kashmir issue as proposed by Pro will further destabilize the relations between Pakistan and India. Kashmiris will still be dying at the hands of Pakistan and Indian forces/militant groups but it will bring Punjab, and Jonagarh at least to the same state as Kashmir. Indian Punjab will also now share a border with the mountainous region of Kashmir(Pakistan occupied) which will put forces fighting from plain areas of Punjab at a disadvantage somehow I don't think India will give that advantage quietly. Indian people are as zealous about Kashmir issue as Pakistani.

The entire justification of Pakistani Intervention in Kashmir rests upon the claim of 'rescuing oppressed Muslims' from the cruelty they face at the hands of their 'Hindu Occupiers' remove that and Pakistan looses its claim. If Pakistan wages war against Independent Kashmir this mindset that they have developed will turn against Pakistan and will have the support of the people, which Pakistani sponsored militants currently do not have, and Indian support behind the scenes. Kashmir would be quite secure and able to fend off foreign invasions.

Independent Kashmir is the best option agreed upon by all parties as stated in a UN resolution, but if Pro still wish for Kashmir to choose between India or Pakistan I think we should study history and compare the history of Pakistan occupied Balochistan and Indian occupied Hyderabad to see which is more peaceful.

"As my worthy opponent says, it is not the view of every resident in the state of Kashmir to join Pakistan, but a single person is only entitled to chose his/her future and not the future of the whole state. The majority is what decides the future, and as the situation stands in the present, Kashmir could really do with some peace and respite." This argument backfires on Pro. The majority wishes for an independent state of Kashmir it is a minority of people that support Pakistan including the Pakistan sponsored 'Jihad' groups. And as I stated Kashmir will be peaceful if it is granted independence from both Pakistan and India.
Debate Round No. 2
plagarists

Pro

I believe my worthy opponent has sidetracked the topic of the debate. The issue here is whether Kashmir should go to pakistan or be retained by india, and not whether kashmir should form its own government. Though convincing, but we hould stick to what the argument states.
Anyway, since this is my concluding stand, i firmly believe that Pakistanshould have Kashmir if they, or in fact India too doesn not want another Kargil on their hands. Apart from reinstating peace in the lands, it would also profoundly increase cultural ethos while upgrading the socio-economic structure of the land.
AKhattak

Con

The title of the debate is "India should give Pakistan Kashmir for smooth bilateral relationships in future" Pro is for Pakistan occupied Kashmir but what Pro fails to specify is in the case Pakistan is not allowed to takeover Kashmir should it be taken over by India or gain independence. India not allowing Pakistan does not by default mean it should be part of India there is a third option that the Kashmiris were granted the right to choose by the British, that is independence from both.
India and Pakistan will have another kargil on their hands even if Pakistan gains control over Kashmir. The main cause of all the conflicts, the Pakistani sponsored 'Mujahids', are mostly composed of people that crossed over from the LOC and are people that belong to FATA(outsiders) they will be replaced by freedom fighters crossing over from India after all they are also quite keen on keeping Kashmir in their hands so overall the situation will remain the same. As for cultural ethos and socio economic structure they will be better off with India, where no one province can assert their dominance over others, instead of Pakistan, where the majority holder Punjab and Indian Muhajir have frequently throughout history tried to stamp out minority cultures of Baloch, Pukhtoon and Sindhis and keeping them underdeveloped so that they cannot gain control over the resources that come from those provinces and should have been thiers by right.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by bhidubaap 1 year ago
bhidubaap
the important event here is 'had there been a vote'. it is not for India or Pakistan to assume and decide how to dole out kashmir, it's for the people of kashmir to choose so. you mentioned that the population is pro pakistani but that's only an assumption. Did every single person staying in Kashmir tell you personally that they would like to be in pakistan? Just because a few group leaders said so, it does not mean that they actually represent the views of the people.

also, even if pakistan gets kashmir, how is that going to create smooth bilateral relationships in the future? Terrorism is the main worry that India has for Pakistan. Kashmir is just a publicity platform for Indian politicians.
Posted by plagarists 1 year ago
plagarists
bhidubaap.... I did mention that the population is pro pakistani, isn't that a clear indication who they would want to join had there been a vote?
Posted by bhidubaap 1 year ago
bhidubaap
Just because the population of Kashmir is predominantly Islamic does not mean that it would want to join pakistan. socio-economic well being is also a huge decision making factor for families in the region and India can provide better jobs and a better lifestyle than pakistan can in it's current political climate. India or pakistan should not be deciding on what is to be done with kashmir. the people of kashmir should decide by vote whether they would want to join either country or become their own state.
Posted by Almec 1 year ago
Almec
Not off like that. The people in the selected district should decide via vote. Once decided people who voted for the loosing nation would be allowed to leave freely.
Posted by plagarists 1 year ago
plagarists
This is because the population of Kashmir is predominantly Islamic and pro Pakistani in nature, so the other way round is going to end up in total failure.
Posted by Theunkown 1 year ago
Theunkown
Why one way and not the other way around? Because of religion? Bah!
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