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Individuals have a moral obligation to assist those in need

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Started: 5/13/2014 Category: Philosophy
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Zaradi

Pro

This is for the DDO World Cup Group Stage.

Resolved: Individuals have a moral obligation to assist those in need.

First round for acceptance.
Jonbonbon

Con

I do accept.
Debate Round No. 1
Zaradi

Pro

FIRST: Presume aff because it would be worse to negate and be wrong than affirm and be wrong because the duties denied and ignored would be insurmountable violations


SECOND: Moral obligations are distinct from legal obligations, in that an agent need not be able to act on a duty to have a moral obligation. Lectric Law Library:


The ‘Lectric Law Library. Lexicon. Moral Obligation. http://www.lectlaw.com......


“[A moral obligation is] A duty which one… ought to perform, but...is not legally bound to fulfill. …the obligation to be charitable…can never be enforced by law. … it subsists in morality and conscience; but … the moral obligation is a sufficient consideration for the promise”


This delinks over demandingness and means the possession of a moral obligation can occur absent possibility to fulfill so implementation is irrelevant.


I value morality. I advocate the metaethical theory of naturalism which says that moral facts are empirical facts and ethics must be grounded in the laws of nature. This is justified because:


First: basic laws of physic confirm that only ethics cannot arise out of intuition or abstract principles. Naturalism is the only coherent metaethic. Papineau:


David Papineau, “Naturalism,” Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, 2007.


“the conservation of energy does imply that … if mental or vital forces arose spontaneously, then there would be nothing to ensure that they never led to energy increases. …Detailed physiological research, especially into nerve cells, gave no indication of any physical effects that cannot be explained in terms of basic physical forces that also occur outside living bodies. we should identify mental states with brain states, for otherwise those mental states would be "nomological danglers" which play no role in the explanation of behaviour. … since the only laws governing behaviour are those connecting behaviour with physical antecedents, mental events can only be causes of behaviour if they are identical with those physical antecedents.”


Second: Naturalism best accounts for moral motivation and supervenience. Papineau 2:


“First …non-natural moral facts could [not] have any motivating force … if such facts are incapable of having effects of any kind, they will a fortiori be incapable of motivating human beings. [second,] intuition … demand[s] that two situations that are identical with respect to physical properties will also be morally identical. … this will follow from … naturalist principles. Non-naturalists, by contrast, … lack any … explanation of why moral facts should so supervene on physical facts”


Third: epistemologically naturalism is the only coherent theory because we can only know through empirical and physical thoughts. Dewey:


John Dewey The Realism of Pragmatism The Journal of Philosophy, Psychology and Scientific Methods Vol. 2, No. 12 (Jun. 8, 1905), pp. 324-327. Jstor.


“Pragmatism believes that in knowledge as a fact, an accomplished matter, things are 'representative of one another,' … Ideas, sensations, mental states, are, in their cognitive significance, … that they become representative of one another. When this is accomplished, they drop out' … States of consciousness' refer to getting knowledge; to the situation when things as objective fail us; have … gone back on us; when accordingly we neither have them to know nor yet to know with. It is in this situation, and only in this situation, that 'states of consciousness' exist or have meaning, cognitively speaking … States of consciousness, sensations and ideas as cognitive, exist as tools, bridges, cues, functions -whatever one pleases-to affect … Known things, as known, are direct presentations … pragmatism carries with it a reinterpretation, and a realistic interpretation, of 'states of consciousness' as representations. They are practically or effectively, not transcendentally, representative.”


Moreover, we must derive an “ought” from an “is” to avoid infinite regression by grounding our claims somewhere. Otherwise we could always ask why we ought to perform a prescribed task.


If naturalism is true then that leads to the normative conclusion that ethics must be grounded in empathy and being consistent with empathic responses. Thus the standard is engaging empathically with people because:


First: Every neural perception and empirical claim is based on being consistent with empathy. Mirror neurons and multiple neuroscientific studies proves. Preston and Waal:


Stephanie D. Prestonand Frans B. M. de Waal. Empathy: Its ultimate and proximate bases. BEHAVIORAL AND BRAIN SCIENCES (2002) 25, 1–72.


“mirror neurons” … represent goal-directed actions, allowing individuals to understand and imitate the actions of others. In a brain-imaging study using … (PET), observing an action with the intent to imitate it activated the areas used in planning and performing the actions … In an fMRI study, the left inferior frontal cortex and the rostral-most part of the right superior parietal lobule were activated when subjects observed a finger movement and when initiating the same movement under different conditions. … The results … support … “direct matching” hypotheses of perception and action. … These shared representations for perception and action are also activated when a movement is imagined … evidence supports a common representation for mental and manual rotation. RTs for imagining and performing a rotation movement are virtually identical …”


Second: Other theories of the brain miss the crucial point. Literally every neuro function is based on empathy. If we reject empathy or don’t engage in empathic engagement every other sense of perception is flawed and negative. Preston and Waal 2:


“A process … makes empathy a … category that includes all subclasses of phenomena that share the same mechanism. This includes emotional contagion, sympathy, cognitive empathy, helping behavior, … This process model also links empathy to all facilitation behaviors that rely on perception- action … A Perception-Action Model of empathy specifically states that attended perception of the object’s state automatically activates the subject’s representations of the state, situation, and object, and that activation of these representations automatically primes or generates the associated autonomic on their interdependence or interrelationship. Interdependence can be temporary and superficial, like when the subject and object must cooperate for a local goal or when the object’s distress blocks the goal of the subject.”


Third, abstract theories of ethics such as contractarianism try to locate moral truths in the a priori deductions of practical reason. However, since all facts are scientific facts, and all scientific facts are known only by experience, there are no a priori side constraints in nature.


And empathy doesn’t have to be grounded in actions, under my interpretation it is grounded in brain function.


Thus the affirmative burden is to show that within empathic engagement we are morally obligated to assist.


I content that empathy requires a moral obligation to those in need.


First: Empathy is the basis of self-sacrifice. We are 100% obligated based on our empathic nature. Olson:


Gary Olson. From Mirror Neurons to Moral Neuropolitics. PDF is online.


“empathy contribute robust empirical evidence … for organizing … societies … consistent with … care, effort, responsibility, courage and respect. … reciprocity mandates equality and an end to exploitation and oppression, it follows that “a just, compassionate treatment of other people is on the grand scale of things one of the conditions for one’s own thriving.” … human nature … has the capacity to lead to … sacrifice, and support, and solidarity, and tremendous courage, … The critical question is … to realize a form of global environment that enhances the opportunity for the empathic aspect of our nature to flourish.”


Second: We cannot reject an obligation because that is an individualistic approach that rejects empathy. Strong reciprocity subsists in all human consciousness, driving us to reward altruism and punish non-altrusim even at personal cost. Gintis et al:


H. Gintis, Santa Fe Institute, Santa Fe, New Mexico and, The Central European University, Budapest, Hungary, J. Henrich, University of British Columbia, Vancouver, Canada, S. Bowles, Santa Fe Institute, Santa Fe, NM, USA, R. Boyd, University of California, Los Angeles, CA, USA, E. Fehr, University of Zurich, Zurich, Switzerland, Soc Just Res 2008, “Strong Reciprocity and the Roots of Human Morality”


“a compellingly large body of research suggest[s] …Strong Reciprocity[, or] …a propensity … to cooperate with others similarly disposed, even at personal cost, and a willingness to punish those who violate cooperative norms, even when punishing is personally costly. …this ‘‘reciprocity’’ …embraces an ethic of treating others as they treat us, bestowing favors on those who cooperate with us, and punishing those who take advantage of our largesse. …Strong reciprocity is a universal structure of human morality. …”


Third: our natural empathy makes us altruistic. Ruse:


Ruse (Michael Ruse, professor of history and philosophy, University of Guelph, Ontario, 1986 by the Joint Publication Board of Zygon, “Evolutionary Ethics: A Phoenix Arisen”)


“competition for limited resources …does not imply that there will always be … ongoing …combat. …much more personal benefit can … be achieved through a process of cooperation … Humans … benefit biologically from cooperation … and … moral altruism is the way in which we achieve that end … evolution has filled us full of thoughts about right and wrong, the need to help our fellows …Thus we have evolved innate mental dispositions … inclining us to cooperate, in the name of … morality … our altruistic nature, is … a cost-effective way of getting us to cooperate, which avoids both the pitfalls of blind action and the expense of … pure rationality.”

Jonbonbon

Con

Jonbonbon forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
Zaradi

Pro

I'll forgive one forfeit from my opponent in the hopes we can actually debate.
Jonbonbon

Con

I apologize for my behavior. I got really busy and yeah, it just didn't happen. I guess I'll just say this publicly, Zaradi can reset this and just copy and paste and probably win, or we can just say I lost for forfeiting, and it would kind of be unfair for me to start debating now :P I'm deeply sorry about this all, and yeah, it is a little awkward. Um... yeah XD
Debate Round No. 3
Zaradi

Pro

Zaradi forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
30 comments have been posted on this debate. Showing 1 through 10 records.
Posted by Zaradi 2 years ago
Zaradi
Pls. The argument I used is hella shitty.
Posted by 9spaceking 2 years ago
9spaceking
*sees rnd2* knows jon iz doomed
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
I'll give you two hours to do it.
Posted by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
I would construct an elaborate syllogism in response to than involve bananas, Zaradi's debate with Jifpop, and investigating Millers in Live Mafia, but I don't feel like it.
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
P1: If Romanii is right, then theists are wrong.
P2: My boyfriend is a strong theist.
C: Romanii is wrong.
Posted by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
Edit:

P2: According to Solipsism, anything which *is* out of mind does not exist (i.e. only mind exists)

Checkmate, theists.
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
Started well. Then yeah XD
Posted by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
Legitimate argument against the existence of God

P1: Out of sight, out of mind (adage)
P2: According to solipsism, anything which is not out of mind does not actually exist (i.e. only mind exists)
C1: According to solipsism, anything that is out of sight does not exist
P3: Solipsism is a metaphysical possibility
C2: It is a metaphysical possibility that anything that is out of sight does not exist
P4: According to Romanii's Law, all metaphysical possibilities are true in my little world
C3: In my little world, anything that is out of sight does not exist.
P5: My little world is more important than all of your stupid worlds
C4: Anything that is out of sight does not exist
P6: God is out of sight
C5: God does not exist
Posted by Jonbonbon 2 years ago
Jonbonbon
Banana's are radioactive, so we can at least establish Imagine Dragons exists.
Posted by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
Yes. They're too complex to be the product of evolution. Therefore, the Bible is God's word and he sacrificed himself to himself to appease himself.
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