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Scorchtheblaze
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ColeTrain
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Is Aaron Rodgers a better player than Russell Wilson?

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ColeTrain
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/30/2015 Category: Sports
Updated: 12 months ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Scorchtheblaze

Con

This is a continuation of the debate I have ColeTrain as the debate was not update so we have to start all over again...

We will copy and paste rounds 1 and 2 but go along with everything in round 3
ColeTrain

Pro

I accept! :D
Debate Round No. 1
Scorchtheblaze

Con

Rookie years and Superbowl appearances:

Aaron Rodgers:

2005 Draft: Aaron Rodgers is projected to go to the San Francisco 49ers, his home team, but is sent into depression as the 49ers select Alex Smith as they're pick leaving Aaron Rodgers to drop to the 24th draft pick where he is drafted by the Green Bay Packers. Aaron Rodgers was picked to be the backup for Brett Favre who had been a veteran QB at the time and everyone saw Aaron Rodgers as getting no play time for he was the rookie behind the veteran.

2008 Season: In 2008, the NFL received the heart breaking news that Brett Favre was retiring from the Green Bay Packers and his replacement would be the 3 year backup, Aaron Rodgers. Everyone had doubted Aaron Rodgers going into the season as he had only thrown for 218 yards in his 3rd season in the NFL making him fresh meat for opposing defensive linemen. Aaron Rodgers however, had other plans as he proved everyone wrong on his ability by passing for a total of 4,038 yards in his first actual season as the QB for the Green Bay Packers.

2010 Season: In his 5th season in the NFL, Aaron Rodgers led his team to Superbowl XLV where they competed against the Pittsburgh Steelers and won in spectacular fashion with a final score of 31-25. Aaron Rodgers finished his season off with a total of 3,922 yards. Aaron Rodgers would later be announced the Superbowl MVP since he had completed 24 of his 39 passes and threw for a total of 304 yards.

Russell Wilson:

2012 Draft: Russell Wilson enter's the 2012 draft as one of the biggest question marks at the QB position as he is able to deliver the ball without a hitch but his height is seen as something that will ultimately bring him down. Prior to the draft, Mike Mayock said about Wilson that "I can't tell you how much I like this kid. ... Not only can he be a competent backup and change-of-pace quarterback, but I think someday he can be a starting-quality player." Mayock would prove to be right as Russell Wilson was picked by the Seattle Seahawks in the third round of the draft.

2012 Season: Russell Wilson entered his first ever season with the Seahawks in 2012 as he replaced the former QB, Tarvaris Jackson in his first ever NFL game against the Arizona Cardinals. The Seahawks would go on to lose to the Cardinals and raised questions on whether he should start the next game. Pete Carroll addressed everyone by saying that he would continue to start the rookie as he saw potential within him. Carroll was not wrong as Wilson led the Seahawks to the playoffs that year but would eventually lose to Atlanta in the divisional round of the playoffs. While he lost and started out rough, Wilson was able to finish the season with 3,118 passing yards and 489 rushing yards.

2013 Season: Russell Wilson enters the season with his head high after taking his team to the playoffs the year before in hopes that he can do it two years in a row. Russell Wilson walked through the season without a care in the world and made it to the playoffs where he destroyed everything in his path. Wilson, in his second year as a QB, took the Seattle Seahawks to the Superbowl and utterly destroyed the Denver Broncos (I still have nightmares). Wilson would finish his season off with a total of 3,375 yards.

2014 Season: Russell Wilson and the Seahawks return to the field as the Superbowl champions looking to keep their reign strong and alive in an attempt to win back to back Superbowl's. Wilson, once again, walks through the season without a care in the world until he is put up against the titan, the ringleader, the cheese man himself, Aaron Rodgers, in the Conference championship. In this game, Aaron Rodgers threw for a total of 178 yards. Wilson, on the other hand, threw for a total of 209 yards. The Seahawks won this game and would later go on to play the "deflatriots" in Superbowl 49 in which they lost after Wilson threw an interception on the goal line.

Statistics:

When you look at the statistics between the two, Rodgers is by far superior when it comes to passing while Wilson dominated in rushing. However, in his 10 year career in the NFL, Rodgers has thrown for a total of 30,515 yards which is pretty good until you realize that in only 3 years, Wilson has thrown for a total of 11, 828 yards which puts him less than 19,000 yards behind Rodgers. Rodgers averages 3,500 yards every year depending on his offensive line and his receiving core while Wilson averages a total of 3,100 yards every year which only places him a few hundred yards below Rodgers.

Another thing that these two elite QB's possess, speed. Wilson got his name known in the NFL by being a precise passer and an agile runner who could escape any situation thrown at him by running out of the pocket and making his way down the field for a gain. In his rookie year, Wilson ran for 489 yards off of 94 attempts and did better the next year by running for 539 yards off of 96 attempts. Last season, Wilson ran for a total of 849 yards off of 118 attempts which got him a total of 6 touchdowns. Rodgers is known for his quick thinking in the pocket as he is able to scramble when needs to and when the time arrives, he can take off down the field in order to get a first down. Over the years, we've seen Rodgers run 200+ yards every season since 2008 season (except the 2013 season) when he began by running 207 yards in the season he began to replace Brett Favre. Over the years, Rodgers has gained a grand total of 2,044 rushing yards at the QB position. Wilson, however, surpasses Rodgers in rushing yards as in his 3 year NFL career, he has ran for a total of 2,180 yards.

Here we can see that Rodgers is, by only a few hundred yards, a better passing QB with a total of 30,515 passing yards and Wilson is the better running QB with a total of 2,044 yards which puts them at an even match up as one outweighs the other in these two fields of the QB position.

Interceptions and fumbles:

Rodgers INT throughout the years:
2005 - 1
2006 - 0
2007 - 1
2008 - 13
2009 - 7
2010 - 11
2011 - 6
2012 - 8
2013 - 6
2014 - 5
2015 - 3
TOTAL - 60 INT
Wilson's INT throughout the years:
2012 - 10
2013 - 9
2014 - 7
2015 - 6
TOTAL - 32

Obviously, Rodgers has more interceptions compared to Wilson due to the fact that he's been in the league longer than Wilson and Wilson is bound to throw more interceptions over the years. However, just imagine this total if Rodgers had replaced Brett Favre in 2005-2007 seasons when Rodgers was a rookie just like Wilson. The numbers would be completely different as every QB, as a rookie, screws up and throws an interception in their first couple of seasons.

Conclusion:

In conclusion, Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers can be seen as complete equals as both of them are superior to the other in their own way. Wilson completely dominated Aaron Rodgers in rushing and Aaron Rodgers dominates Russell Wilson when it comes to passing yards. However, Wilson will one day be better than Aaron Rodgers if he can continue doing what he is doing as he is only 19,000 yards behind Rodgers in career passing yards and since Wilson gains an average of 3,000+ yards a season, he is well on his way to passing Aaron Rodgers in passing yards and due to the running stats, Wilson already has the career rushing stats in the bag.
ColeTrain

Pro

First of all, thanks to scorchtheblaze for this debate!

Preface
There's really not much to contentions as far as sports debates like this one goes -- and obviously no moral qualms, so I don't really feel the need to make my own specific contentions when my opponent has already essentially covered all that are applicable. Therefore, I'll simply build my arguments on my opponent's points and perhaps add a few more along the way.

Framework
The framework of this debate is really simple; go off of which side makes the most pragmatic argument for their individual, which fulfills the resolution that: On balance, Aaron Rodgers is a better quarterback than Russell Wilson. Other than that, there's not much more.

Rookie:
There's a lot of support for Russell Wilson's rookie year, and the advocacy that he's the a sensational quarterback because of that. However, while I agree he's a *good* quarterback, his rookie year doesn't constitute his position above Aaron Rodgers. This is for two reasons: 1) Aaron Rodgers was not placed in the position of starting QB his first year in the NFL, and 2) Aaron's "real" rookie season in terms of actual play came when he replaced Brett Favre. Aaron Rodgers had not had the opportunity to fulfill the role as a pivotal rookie, per se, becuase he was drafted as a back-up. To summarize, simply because Russell Wilson's rookie statistics appear better doesn't indicate a superiority; the two were drafted differently: Rodgers as a depth solidification and Wilson simply out of necessity.

Superbowl:
There's a large dispute here, as Rodger's has only made one appearance in the Super Bowl, while Wilson has made two. However, there's still grounds that Rodger's is superior in this round, for these two reasons: 1) Each player only won one Super Bowl, [1] and 2) Aaron Rodgers was the MVP of his Super Bowl while Russell Wilson was not [2].

Stastically in these games, Rodgers was indubitably superior:

Game One (First Super Bowl):
Passing Yards: Rodgers - 304, Wilson - 206
Passing TDs: Rodgers - 3, Wilson - 2
Interceptions: None
Game MVP: Rodgers - 1 Wilson - 0

Game Two:
Passing Yards: Wilson - 247
Passing TDs: Wilson - 2
Interceptions: Wilson - 1

Wilson's appearances in the Super Bowl were quantitatively more than Rodgers [4], but in terms of quality, Rodgers' performance was better. [3] More yards and touchdowns without turnovers proved his individual performance superior. Getting to the Super Bowl is largely a team effort rather than an individual effort. In this case, it doesn't matter who went to the Super Bowl more times, but rather who performed better individually when given that opportunity. I've demonstrably shown that Rodgers was superior in the Super Bowl in terms of winning percentage (100%), statistics, and awards (MVP).

Mentorship:
While Aaron Rodgers was trained under one of the most respected and skilled quarterbacks of all time (Brett Favre), while Russell Wilson never had a professional mentor other than his college coaches. Still, he obviously wasn't trained exceptionally well in college as he was drafted in the third round. Had he been ready in college, his value would have been more and he would have been drafted sooner. Rodgers' skills are more refined and drilled. A better mentor allows for better vision during games and a more experienced outlook. Both of these things are something Russell Wilson lacks, and his skills haven't developed fully because of it.

Statistics:
For the sake of the debate, I'll only measure Aaron Rodger's stats from 2008 onward, which is when he became a starter. Statistics are very important, and I'll spend most of my time here.

Interceptions
These are a good way to measure skill, but it's important to judge it accurately. When considering interceptions, it's imperative to realize what constitutes and makes interceptions a bad statistic, and at what point that should be considered. I'll break down how more interceptions doesn't always mean the quarterback is "worse" and throws more interceptions. It requires the inclusion of the pass attempts as well. (The statistics were made using simple math, but sources of material are here: [5] [6])

These will show the percentages of Rodgers' interceptions each season, adjusted to passes thrown.
2008: 2.4% of passes were interceptions
2009: 1.2%
2010: 2.3%
2011: 1.1%
2012: 1.4%
2013: 2.1%
2014: 0.9%
2015: 1.2% (so far)
Average: 1.575% of total passes thrown were interceptions

These will show the percentages of Wilson's interceptions each season, adjusted to passes thrown.
2012: 2.5%
2013: 2.2%
2014: 1.5%
2015: 2.6.% (so far)
Average: 1.82%of total passes thrown were interceptions.

Comparative results in years the two have played together with Rodgers : Wilson
2012: 1.4% : 2.5%
2013: 2.1% : 2.2%
2014: 0.9% : 1.5%
2015: 1.2% : 2.6% (so far)

Not only does Rodgers have a better average pass attempt to interception ratio, he also has had better each year they've played together in the league. This statistical analysis shows that, regardless of numerical value of interceptions, the ratio with their pass attempts is more important -- and Rodgers is winning.

Passing Yards
As my opponent has already conceded and mentioned, Aaron Rodgers had more total passing yards than Russell Wilson. However, while this is important, the impact is compounded when considering the average yardage gained per pass. This is another category in which Rodgers is superior. Rodgers' average yards per pass completion is 8.19 as opposed to 7.96. Furthermore, my opponent's explicit estimate of the pace at which the two QBs are going in regards to passing yards only furthers the insinuation Rodgers' is better. Regardless of current totals which are skewed by the different amount of years played, the pace and average imply Rodgers is doing better. Moreover, in each completed year since Rodgers has been a starter, he's passed for an average of over 4,000 yards per year (4,035). Russell Wilson had never passed for more than 3,500.

Touchdowns
There's a lot here that suggest Rodgers is a better quarterback. Over his 7 years of starting, he's thrown for an average of 30.7 TDs per year. Wilson has never thrown for more than 26 in a year. Even adding his rushing touchdowns (one of his highest perks), that's still less, on average than the annual touchdowns thrown by Rodgers, who also quite frequently runs for touchdowns.

Conclusion:
Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson are indisputibly remarkable quarterbacks, and each have areas of strength. Both quarterbacks have demonstrated quite large and broad-scale success. However, as I've demonstrated time and again in this round, there's more to football and statistics than meets the eye. The close analysis (and even broad, for that matter) explicitly and undeniably shows Aaron Rodgers is, on balance, a better quarterback than Russell Wilson. The resolution is thoroughly affirmed.

Sources:
[1] http://www.newsday.com...
[2] http://sports.espn.go.com...
[3] http://www.pro-football-reference.com...
[4] http://www.pro-football-reference.com...
[5] http://espn.go.com...
[6]
http://espn.go.com...

Debate Round No. 2
Scorchtheblaze

Con

Scorchtheblaze forfeited this round.
ColeTrain

Pro

My opponent has forfeited. Extend arguments!
Debate Round No. 3
Scorchtheblaze

Con

Scorchtheblaze forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
Scorchtheblaze

Con

I forfeit this round of the debate
ColeTrain

Pro

Effectively concession, vote Pro.
Debate Round No. 5
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by wipefeetnmat 12 months ago
wipefeetnmat
I will have to pass on this debate since the topic of sports is not something that I am educated in and really does not interest me.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeiture.
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Reasons for voting decision: The multitude of forfeits makes it hard for me to give much in the way of offense to con when a lot of the arguments that Pro makes go conceded throughout the entirety of the debate. Pro's responses to Con's arguments in terms of yardage also highlight the fundamental problem with Con's position: statistically Aaron Rodgers is better, which wasn't really ever denied by Con. Had there been more effective rounds of debate and had Con spoke more, maybe this debate would've been different. But as it is now, Pro win.