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katierachel
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JohnMaynardKeynes
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Is Atheism a religion?

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JohnMaynardKeynes
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Started: 5/5/2014 Category: Education
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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katierachel

Pro

Yes because religion is about believing in something, Atheists believe that no Gods exist which is still considered a belief.
JohnMaynardKeynes

Con

I accept Pro's challenge.

Since he has not laid out any rules, definitions, or even stipulations as to when or how we should proceed, I'd like to begin with my opening remarks.

First, some definitions from Merriam-Webster:

"Atheists" [1.http://atheism.about.com...]
-Atheists are simply those who do not accept the truth of this claim [that there is a God].


"Religion" [1. http://www.merriam-webster.com...]

-the belief in a god or in a group of gods

-an organized system of beliefs, ceremonies, and rules used to worship a god or a group of gods

-an interest, a belief, or an activity that is very important to a person or group


"Belief" [2. http://www.merriam-webster.com...]:

-a feeling of being sure that someone or something exists or that something is true

-a feeling that something is good, right, or valuable

-a feeling of trust in the worth or ability of someone




A number of definitions of the term "atheist" are jaded as to suggest the belief that there is no God -- but this cannot be called a belief at all. You cannot have a belief the lack of a belief. If so, then you may have a belief in the lack of belief in the lack of belief, ad infinitum. This argument is simply incoherent.

But even if one were to accept for a moment that atheism could be a belief -- and mind you this only applies to "positive atheism," which outright rejects the existence of God, though this does not apply to all atheists or atheism as a whole -- it does not meet the standard of being called a "religion."

Let's look at the above definition.

The first one falls flat: atheists do not believe in a God or Gods -- in fact, they reject the entire notion of the supernatural.

The second one is logically false: there are not set rules or ceremonies or beliefs of atheists. The only thing atheists can agree on is that there is no enough evidence to prove the existence of God -- this is not a belief, nor is it based on faith (and "faith" really is the key word in this case, as religion is a belief system based on "faith."). Whether atheists have beliefs is another story, but there are not uniform, or universally accepted, or transcribed in a book or some kind and read at a sermon. Atheism is not, to be candid, an organized religion.

The third definition is not true, in principle, because for this to be the case, it must apply to all atheists. We've settled that atheists do not believe in a deity of any kind, so this is off the table. The definition then speaks of an "interest or an activity," but not only is this so broad that it could not be possible be coherent -- if that's the case, then hockey is my religion -- but it implies fanatacisim toward something. That is, you could play hockey "religiously," meaning that you're very ardent about it, practice regularly, follow it persistently, etc. This is not the case for many, many atheists, so this cannot broadly define atheism as a religion. Some frankly are atheists, or better known as non-theists, simply because they don't care or pay much mind to religion. Implicit atheism -- referring to newborns -- is also applicable. Babies have not been taught by their parents, from whom they would derive their religious identity, that there is, in their judgment, a God. So, by definition, they "lack belief," meaning that they are atheists.

So I reject the resolution and argue that atheism is not a religion.

Debate Round No. 1
katierachel

Pro

katierachel forfeited this round.
JohnMaynardKeynes

Con

Well, that is unfortunate. I'd like to give Pro another chance to argue, so I'll just extend my opening remarks for now.
Debate Round No. 2
katierachel

Pro

katierachel forfeited this round.
JohnMaynardKeynes

Con

My opponent has forfeitted every round and failed to uphold his/her burden of proof.

Please vote Con.
Debate Round No. 3
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by yoruichi101 2 years ago
yoruichi101
No it is not a religion because atheism is when someone dose not believe in any god
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Reasons for voting decision: Conduct - Con. Pro forfeited rounds 2 & 3 which is never proper conduct in a debate. S & G - Tied. Neither made mistakes that would cost points or give cause to award points to one over the other. Arguments - Con. Pro's initial claim was properly rebutted throughout Con's argument in Round 1. All arguments made by Con remained unchallenged due to the forfeits and therefore still stand. Sources - Con. Pro failed to share any sources whereas Con utilized sourcing his definitions in order to strengthen his points.
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Reasons for voting decision: FF. Pro started a debate he forfeited. By the way, Con. Try to use a bigger font, otherwise it would be hard to read your rounds. I'm giving both the conduct and arguments to Con because he refuted Pro's only argument and continued the debate.