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WilliamsP
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anavives
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Is Barack Obama a great president?

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WilliamsP
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 12/23/2013 Category: Politics
Updated: 3 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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WilliamsP

Pro

My opening statement is the following:

When Barack Obama took office in 2008, the economy was becoming weaker and weaker. But soon after Obama took office, you could see changes. The economy was rising once again and most of the jobs lost in the recession were created again. President Obama is partly responsible for the death of Osama bin Laden, one of the most violent terrorists in the history of mankind. Obama openly supports same-sex marriage and so do I. Obama signed the Affordable Care Act (otherwise known as Obamacare), which is a great idea for healthcare reform. It has some flaws, yes, but it is a better healthcare system than what the Republican would have provided. President Obama ended the Iraq War and the soldiers are now pulling out of Afghanistan. Obama saved the Auto Industry, liberated Libya, cut taxes for millions of Americans, passed Wall Street Reform, created multiple tax cuts for small businesses, eliminated unfair credit card fees, cut spending by a little over $1 trillion, protected reproductive rights, passed the funding of stem cell research, doubled the fuel efficiency standards, increased renewable energy production by a considerable amount, appointed the first Latina Supreme Court Justice, invested in science and research, ended "Don't Ask, Don't Tell", extended unemployment benefits, protected equal pay for women, lowered seniors' drug costs, guaranteed coverage for contraception, protected medicare and social security, and so many more.

Now, read this and tell me that Obama is not a good president.

All of the information above belongs to the respective source: Forward, Barack Obama 2012 Campaign Advertisement, which is most likely completely true.
anavives

Con

You have valid points, but he is just a president.
Thanks to him the debt has gone up to 10 trillion dollars. Before him the debt was 4.9 trillion dollars, how can a president make the debt go up so much? He has printed a lot of money, which devalues the dollar, this will lead to inflammation over time.
He is the biggest liar who has ever served as president. He's worse than Nixon and Clinton combined. Take the Benghazi scandal, for example. The consulate could have been protected by the military just 20 minutes away across the border, but Obama ordered them to stand down. Then he wouldn't even admit it was a terrorist attack for over a week after he knew it. We still don"t know why.
And with the deal with osama bin laden, sure he did helped but just because he killed something doesn"t mean he is a great president, because admit it doesn"t have anything to do with his work as a president.
The gay rights thing, I give you that he is nice to gays but please, because he has an opinion you like doesn"t mean we should put him on the category of great president.
There is so much more of why obama is just a president but I prefer to save them for later.
Debate Round No. 1
WilliamsP

Pro

The same-sex marriage issue is not an issue of opinion. It is an issue of what is morally correct. I understand that certain faiths discourage same-sex marriage, relationships, and interactions, but all people have the right to have their own religion, and therefore those who do not have one have the right to practice same-sex marriage and if they have a faith, to still have their own opinion. But this is a whole other debate. Let's return to the original topic:

The debt is explainable. Have you noticed that debts often dramatically increase during or right after wars? This is because of the president that preceded Obama, George W. Bush, who was the worst president for a whole generation, who is comparable to President Richard Nixon and President Herbert Hoover. The actions he took in his two unfortunate terms wounded our nation deeply. But, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. The economy is now going strong due to a great president, Barack Obama. I admit that Obama has some flaws. All presidents have flaws. But Obama is not a liar. And if he has lied, it would have been for the good of the people and the nation.

Obama, unlike the Republicans in Congress, has reasons for everything he does. Obama is not just a president. He is a president comparable of JFK, Lincoln, FDR, and Clinton, who have all benefited this nation greatly.

Now, read this and tell me Barack Obama is just a president. Refer to my first argument if you must.
anavives

Con

anavives forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 2
WilliamsP

Pro

Due to you having forfeited the round, I will state an opinion instead of making another argument. I think Obama is comparable to the greatness of JFK, FDR, and Lincoln. Do you agree or disagree?
anavives

Con

anavives forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 3
WilliamsP

Pro

Due to you having forfeited two rounds, I will assume that I won the debate.
anavives

Con

anavives forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 4
WilliamsP

Pro

Are you forfeiting because you cannot be online at all or because you are doing it on purpose? If you want to win the debate, which is highly unlikely now, you must come online this instant and write a very long response.
anavives

Con

anavives forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by Luke_Krog 3 years ago
Luke_Krog
Also, Pro, your source was absolutely terrible. It is obviously disgustingly biased in favor of Obama.
Posted by Luke_Krog 3 years ago
Luke_Krog
I think it is a bad idea to post a debate like this. Part of what you two ended up doing was just breaking off into smaller debates on political issues, such as gay marriage. Many of the things you listed in your first argument I would consider negatives. Were you really prepared to, in this debate, debate all of those things simultaneously with your potential Con?
Posted by Capitalism194 3 years ago
Capitalism194
WilliamP, the only argument of yours that is absolutely not valid is the "previous president" argument. Surreee, just blame everything on the guy before you. Apparently, Obama simply can't responsibility for anything bad about his administration. If anything, social security is 10x more of a mess than defense spending ever was.
Posted by Cheetah 3 years ago
Cheetah
"President Obama is partly responsible for the death of Osama bin Laden, one of the most violent terrorists in the history of mankind."

The only credit Obama deserve for the killing o Osama BL is his swag walk to the podium to announce Bin Laden's death. He is responsible for hundreds of drone attacks in various countries plus certain unlawful executions and torture"See Afghanistan. He lied about closing down Guantanamo on his elections. Pretty much the only positive change he displayed is gay marriages.
Posted by Cheetah 3 years ago
Cheetah
"It has some flaws, yes, but it is a better healthcare system than what the Republican would have provided"

Republicans do not agree on national healthcare. And ACA has a lot of flaws than some. First off, if you are going to make it mandatory for citizens to register, the penalty has to be higher than what the healthcare itself cost. If the penalty is cheaper than the product, people will just pay the penalty. Secondly, the ACA would decrease employment for women since businesses will have to pay for their parental leave and birth control. Then the price tag for female employees increase, employers will not employ them; hence, leaving them in a worse situation than without healthcare. Private insurances will rise as well, which is why many people are losing their insurances.
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Vote Placed by Cheetah 3 years ago
Cheetah
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Reasons for voting decision: Con forfeited. Both Pro and Con passed the plagiarism check. Both show equally sophisticated vocabulary, use of syntax and diction. Pro won chiefly because Con failed to refute Pro. Pro?I highly recommend you post a link to your sources too, so that we know your sources are valid.