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Is Christianity...the Anti-Christ?

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Started: 11/24/2017 Category: Religion
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REVERENDREAL

Pro

IS CHRISTIANITY...THE ANTI-CHRIST?

We all know that Jesus was not a Christian. He was born in the Jewish faith. We know that Christianity did not even come about until some time after the death of Jesus. Some say the following year after his death while other say about three hundred years later.

We know from the Bible, the great story about the rich man meeting Jesus. He approached Jesus and said. Good Master, how can I get into Heaven? The first thing Jesus shouted at him was.. Don't call me Good Master, for there is none Good, but God in Heaven!

Don't call me Good Master, for there is none Good, but God in Heaven. What is God's first commandment, thy shall not kill, thy shall not steal, thy shall not commit adultery, No! God's first Commandment is Thy Shall Have No Other Before Me.

Even later, when the people tried to praise Jesus and said we love you Jesus, can't we praise you as well as God. Jesus said.. No Man can serve two Masters, for if you love one, you must hate the other. You can only love God as your Master, no one else, that is God's "first" Commandment.

After Jesus scolded the rich man for calling him Good Master. Jesus told the rich man, in order to see Heaven, you must Obey the Ten Commandments and Give to the Needy. Most of us remember how the rich man walked away as Jesus said a rich man has as much chance of seeing Heaven as a camel does passing through the eye of a needle.

What most people do not remember is what Jesus said first to the rich man. Don't call me Good Master, for there is none good, but God in Heaven? Jesus did not consider himself a God, he saw himself as a Prophet to spread God's words.

Jesus did not say, in order to see Heaven, you must attend Church. Jesus did not say, you must give tithes to the Church. Jesus did not say, you must join a man-made religion. Jesus did not say, for you to praise or come in his name..... Except when he later said. There shall be many who shall come in my name, and they shall deceive you!

The false Prophets, the one who goes against what Jesus said. When Jesus told you the two things that you must do in order to go to Heaven. Jesus said in order to see Heaven, you must Obey the Ten Commandments and Give unto the Needy.

Christianity would have you believe the opposite. The Prophets of Christianity teaches that... If you are a Christian, you are forgiven and allowed to sin. Instead of what Jesus said that you must Obey the Ten Commandments and Give to the Needy.

Christianity says, you can disobey the Ten Commandments and just ask for forgiveness. Instead of giving money to the Needy, give it to the Church so the preacher can buy another airplane.

Jesus said...There shall be many who shall come in my Name (in the name of Christ) and they shall Deceive You! Many, Catholics, Protestants, Pentecostal, Presbyterian, Lutheran, Methodist, Baptists, Evangelist, etc, etc. You will know them by whatever name they call themselves, because they will falsely all say that they come in the name of Christ.

Instead of telling you as I have told you, that to see Heaven, you must Obey the Ten Commandments and Give to the Needy. They will falsely tell you that you can Disobey God's Ten Commandments and instead of giving to the Needy, give to their anti-Christ churches in order to enrich the false prophets who preaches that you can disobey God's Commandments.

I say to you, if you believe them, then you must also be foolish enough to believe a Camel can go through the eye of a Needle.

by Gregory St. James Mundy

- the author of the book "Words and Verses of Gregory St. James- That explains that we must obey the word of God and not see Jesus Is An Excuse to use when we commit sin. Jesus said to see Heaven, We must obey the Ten Commandments and Give to the Needy!

http://www.e-booktime.com...
philochristos

Con

Thank you for coming to tonight's debate. We are debating the question of whether or not Christianity is the anti-Christ. Pro says it is, and I say it is not, so I will be assuming a share burden of proof for this debate.

Before we can discuss whether or not Christianity is the anti-Christ, we should first talk about what is meant by "anti-Christ." The term, antiChrist, is used in only two passages in the Bible. It is used three times in 1 John 18-24, and once in 2 John 7. They read as follows:

1 John 18-24
Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not really of us; for if they had been of us, they would have remained with us; but they went out, in order that it might be shown that they are all not of us. But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you all know. I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it, and because no lie is of the truth. Who is the liar but the one who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, the one who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father; the one who confesses the Son has teh Father also. As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you hear from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

2 John 7
For many deceivers have gone out into the world, those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist.


From these two passages, we can see that an anti-Christ is any person who denies that Jesus is the Christ or that Jesus Christ came in the flesh. Pro's entire opening suffers from irrelevance because nowhere in his opening did he make the case that Christianity denies that Jesus is the Christ or that he came in the flesh. Even if everything Pro said in his opening were true (which it's not), Pro will not have carried his burden of proof since Pro will not have shown that the resolution is true.

There are several reasons for why we should think the resolution is false.

1. An anti-Christ is a person, not a religion. A religion can contain members who are anti-Christs, but the religion cannot be an anti-Christ. Only persons make claims and denials. So Christianity cannot be the anti-Christ even if it's members are.

2. There is no such thing as THE anti-Christ as if it referred to just one person. As John said, many anti-Christs are already in the world. An anti-Christ is anybody who denies that Jesus is the Christ and that he came in the flesh.

3. Christians do not deny that Jesus is the Christ or that he came in the flesh. Christians affirm both of these things.

4. Christianity, as a religion, does not contain within its definition any denial that Jesus is the Christ or that he came in the flesh. On the contrary, Jesus being the Christ and coming in the flesh is absolutely central to Christianity.

Since all of Pro's arguments are irrelevant to the resolution, and since I have given four good reasons to deny the resolution, we can safely affirm that Christianity is not the anti-Christ.
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Posted by philochristos 1 month ago
philochristos
Now look what you've done. You've forfeited the debate.
Posted by FollowerofChrist1955 1 month ago
FollowerofChrist1955
Reverendreal;
"Is Christianity...the Anti-Christ?"
The answer: No

Christianity is the NAME the people of God, the Followers of God and the Disciples of God have "chosen" to identify themselves, nothing more!

The Way, discussed by Christ IS the life we choose to follow. Thus we align ourselves as being "WITH CHRIST " hence the term!

Your error is in interpretation (2 Peter 1:20-21), which is forbidden to US ... that is to Believers of God! To those who begin down the road of disobedience, they inevitably stray further and further as demons gain more influence! (1 Timothy 4:1 )However, this does not indicate nor mean that this follower/believer is LOST? Quite the contrary ... (Ephesians 2:8) all people of God including Followers and Disciples ARE SAVED, as this IS and REMAINS a free gift of God! (Ephesians 2:9).

To see the proof of these you need only refer to the statistics of denominations present. Considering each has a belief which demonstrates acceptance and rejections of certain portions of scriptures. Noting that those of God HAVE NO RIGHTS, where God is concerned and are expected to obey without question, but through Carnal influences refuse to do so. This of course is addressed in 1 Corinthians 3 where it is made plain of the forfeiture of rewards, crowns and throne authority.

Therefore, those who continue to remain immature in growth, though SAVED recieve NOTHING but Salvation which is freely given of God. The other which are the Followers of God revieve some rewards, but not inheritence as these are carnal in nature, having refused to DENY THEMSELVES, take up thier Cross and Follow after Jesus, lastly are the Fisciples of Christ who revieve Rewards, crowns and inheritance which IS the authority to SHARE in Christ Throne, Kings and Priest of God as well as Sons and Daughters!
Posted by philochristos 1 month ago
philochristos
Woops! That 1 John reference is supposed to be 1 John 2:18-24. I left out the chapter reference.
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