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Is Darth Revan the most powerful force user

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Started: 6/8/2015 Category: Entertainment
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xwasp360

Pro

first round for acceptance only.
gabep

Con

I accept. BoP will be on Pro to prove that Revan was the most powerful Force-user in Star Wars. Your move.
Debate Round No. 1
xwasp360

Pro

Darth Revan was easily the most powerful. Think on this, he came extremely close to beating, all at once, the Jedi knight who killed the Sith Emperor, The Sith Emperor's personal Sith executioner, the strongest Wookie in the galaxy, the most important Sith Leader, one of the strongest Sith Warriors, the Jedi Grandmaster and the republics number 1 spy. His offensive power was easily stronger than any other force-sensitive, both in saber-skill and offensive force power. He could use the dark side and the light side of the force combined to wield immense power, and trained thousands of disciples, both Jedi and Sith. Although his power in battle was supreme, he was never a practitioner of Sith Alchemy. Even so, he could use it, without any training in the matter, to prolong his life at LEAST 3 centuries (an amazing feat that barely any Sith ever achieved) and, not only that, could perfectly preserve his useful features. He was also a legendary strategist. He even redeemed the spirit of the Sith founder "Ajunta Pall". Not only that he could teleport (presumably an ability he picked up from an alien force cult whos name i forget) and, because he most likely picked up the ability from the said force cult, could probably time-travel as well. (They could)
gabep

Con

Other Force-users were much more powerful than Revan. I will be arguing that Darth Sidious is much more powerful than Revan.

Darth Sidious was very strong in the Force. Even before he was trained in the ways of the Dark Side, he was able to hide his Force presence from Darth Plagueis. Then, he instinctively killed his family using the Force without prior knowledge of it (1).

Darth Sidious was very proficient with his powers. His Force Lightning could instantly reduce a victim to a pile of ashes, and was one of the most powerful Force Lightning attacks ever recorded. He even invented his own attack, called the Force Storm, that created a hyperspace wormhole and tore apart space-time. The attack could destroy entire fleets. Not only did he learn to create a Force Storm, he learned to control it. Luke Skywalker commented that the power could "kill planets" (2). It took the combined power of Luke and Leia Skywalke , two of the most powerful Force-users to ever live, to cut of Sidious' control over the Force Storm.

Although Revan was a very powerful force-user, he was not THE most powerful Force-user. Sidious is but one example of a force-user who surpassed Revan.

(1) - Star Wars: Darth Plagueis (2012).
(2) - The Jedi Path (2010).
Debate Round No. 2
xwasp360

Pro

Sidious did not invent the force storm. There are many pre-recorded documents of a force storm. As well, a force-storm could not be used in a battle and required time and meditation. Sidious's force lightning could not even disintegrate Luke Skywalker, a naive Jedi with a few years of training. Revan's lightning could disintegrate a member of the dark council (one of the most powerful sith in the galaxy) in a second. Revan could easily boss Sidious in a battle. Revan could, with no training in Sith alchemy, prolong his life for over 3 centuries as well as completely preserve his youth for the same time, with no rituals. That feat has never been equaled. imagine his potential had he chosen to focus on Sith Spells. Revan's force power was much greater than Sidious. His combat, both saber skill and offensive force, was much greater. His skills in Sith Alchemy, though he never trained in it, was still god-like. Revan's force power was overall, just , much better.
gabep

Con

Sidious was the first to create a Force Storm without using the Darkstaff artifact. All previous observances of Force Storms were created using the Darkstaff. Darth Sidious discovered the technique.

There are reasons as to why Sidious did not kill Luke with his Lightning. It was entirely possible for him to do it (1). One theory is that Sidious wanted to keep Luke alive to replace Darth Vader as his apprentice. Another theory is that Sidious wanted Luke's death to be slow and painful, and thus decreased the intensity of his attack. Sidious also tortured Darth Plagueis in a similar way shortly before Plagueis' death (2).

"As well, a force-storm could not be used in a battle" - Force Storms were used extensively by Sidious (3). During a major battle near Coruscant, Sidious created a Force Storm that swallowed entire Imperial and New Republic Fleets. Please tell me where you found this information.

"His combat, both saber skill and offensive force, was much greater" - Please provide evidence to back up this claim. Sidious is considered to be the one of the most deadly duelists of all time. Sidious forced Yoda, one of the strongest Jedi in the Order, to retreat during their duel. He also used techniques such as Force Rage to augment his abilities.

(1) - http://starwars.wikia.com...
(2) - Star Wars: Darth Plagueis (2012).
(3) - http://starwars.wikia.com...
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by gabep 1 year ago
gabep
There are instances of people being sent forward in time as a result of a Force Storm, such as Darth Rivan (yes, Rivan, not Revan) being shifted to the time of the Brotherhood of Darkness after being trapped in a Force Storm. This was possible because a Force Storm was basically a hole in space-time.
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
sorry about posting 8 times. Sidous had some powers that revan did not. But so did Revan. He was the only Jedi or Sith to ever TELEPORT. Fricking teleport. Way more impressive than force storm, HE could possibly even TIMe TRAVEL.
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
sorry about posting 8 times. Sidous had some powers that revan did not. But so did Revan. He was the only Jedi or Sith to ever TELEPORT. Fricking teleport. Way more impressive than force storm, HE could possibly even TIMe TRAVEL.
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
sorry about posting 8 times. Sidous had some powers that revan did not. But so did Revan. He was the only Jedi or Sith to ever TELEPORT. Fricking teleport. Way more impressive than force storm, HE could possibly even TIMe TRAVEL.
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
sorry about posting 8 times. Sidous had some powers that revan did not. But so did Revan. He was the only Jedi or Sith to ever TELEPORT. Fricking teleport. Way more impressive than force storm, HE could possibly even TIMe TRAVEL.
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
What i meant was Sidious could not, in the middle of a duel, create a force storm. Darth Malgus was able to create a force storm. Also Revan's dueling achievments in the SWTOR flashpoint Shadow of Revan dwarf anything Sidious ever accomplished. He was able to disintegrate a member of the DARK COUNCIL in less than a second with his lightning. Sidious couldn't even do it Vader, who was extremely vulnerable, Nor luke, who had no training in defence from it
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
What i meant was Sidious could not, in the middle of a duel, create a force storm. Darth Malgus was able to create a force storm. Also Revan's dueling achievments in the SWTOR flashpoint Shadow of Revan dwarf anything Sidious ever accomplished. He was able to disintegrate a member of the DARK COUNCIL in less than a second with his lightning. Sidious couldn't even do it Vader, who was extremely vulnerable, Nor luke, who had no training in defence from it
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
What i meant was Sidious could not, in the middle of a duel, create a force storm. Darth Malgus was able to create a force storm. Also Revan's dueling achievments in the SWTOR flashpoint Shadow of Revan dwarf anything Sidious ever accomplished. He was able to disintegrate a member of the DARK COUNCIL in less than a second with his lightning. Sidious couldn't even do it Vader, who was extremely vulnerable, Nor luke, who had no training in defence from it
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
What i meant was Sidious could not, in the middle of a duel, create a force storm. Darth Malgus was able to create a force storm. Also Revan's dueling achievments in the SWTOR flashpoint Shadow of Revan dwarf anything Sidious ever accomplished. He was able to disintegrate a member of the DARK COUNCIL in less than a second with his lightning. Sidious couldn't even do it Vader, who was extremely vulnerable, Nor luke, who had no training in defence from it
Posted by xwasp360 1 year ago
xwasp360
What i meant was Sidious could not, in the middle of a duel, create a force storm. Darth Malgus was able to create a force storm. Also Revan's dueling achievments in the SWTOR flashpoint Shadow of Revan dwarf anything Sidious ever accomplished. He was able to disintegrate a member of the DARK COUNCIL in less than a second with his lightning. Sidious couldn't even do it Vader, who was extremely vulnerable, Nor luke, who had no training in defence from it
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