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TheProver
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black_squirrel
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Is God Real

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 1/1/2014 Category: Religion
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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TheProver

Pro

God is real, as simple as that. It is the things we can't see are the most believe-able. You do not need proof to say he is real, and even if you wanted, there is in every day miracles, For instance, about 4-5 Years ago, a plane was falling from the sky, everyone on the plane died when is crashed, except for this 11 year old Christian girl. See? Miracles of God happen everyday.
black_squirrel

Con

Miracles do not happen

Unlikely events happen. This is not proof of God. Even very unlikely events will happen eventually, by the law of large numbers.
One, girl surviving a crash is unlikely but not impossible. If on average, a plane has 100 passengers, and the number of survivors
is somewhere between 0 and 100, then the probability that 1 person survives a crash is 1%. (This is assuming equal probabilities, but in reality "0" and "1" are more probable than the other numbers). So on average, every 100 plane crashes will have 1 survivor.
In 2012 there were 13 commercial airplane crashes, but if we include private airplains it will be in the hundreds I bet.
In 5 years, that would be 65 commercial airplane crashes, and the probability of having a 1-survivor airplane crash in 5 years
is 65%. The probability that this surviver is also a theist, whould be 32.5%. That is hardly a miracle at all.

You give only one example of a "miracle" in 5 years, and you conclude that miracles happen every day. This conclusion is unfounded.

For God to be real we would have to be able to observe him, directly or indirectly. Since there are no miracles,
I see no other way of confirming God's existence. Even if unlikely events would happen more than expected,
we cannot simply conclude that it is because of the hand of God.
Debate Round No. 1
TheProver

Pro

TheProver forfeited this round.
black_squirrel

Con

A 15-minute deadline really is a pain, isn't it?
I won't add any additional arguments and just wait for your response.
I just make a few corrections to my earlier argument (I did not have time to proofread)
The probability of 1 person surviving under the given assumptions is 1/101=0.99%, the expected number of crashes with 1 survivor
is 65/101.
Debate Round No. 2
TheProver

Pro

TheProver forfeited this round.
black_squirrel

Con

Oops. Too bad. I guess this was just a 1 round debate.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by ghadintea 9 months ago
ghadintea
I find it hilarious that people believed TheProver even after obviously stating that black_squirrel had the more convincing arguement
Posted by Romanii 2 years ago
Romanii
Who the hell puts a 15 minute time limit!?
One time we had a three hour time limit and it still failed...
Posted by Phenenas 2 years ago
Phenenas
This is hilarious.
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Vote Placed by kawaii_crazy 2 years ago
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TheProverblack_squirrelTied
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Reasons for voting decision: TheProver forfeited and did not have very detailed arguments, though I believe God is real.
Vote Placed by gordonjames 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Wow - I wish people who had important debate topics would actually show up for the debate. If you are going to initiate a debate, think through your round 1 (definitions etc.) and your round 2 BEFORE posting a topic. Congrats to black squirrel for not being mean about the FF
Vote Placed by philochristos 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: Arguments to Con for Pro's forfeit. S&G to Con because Pro had poor S&G.
Vote Placed by MyDinosaurHands 2 years ago
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Reasons for voting decision: No sources involved on either sides. In one round I counted 1 S&G mistake for Pro, and for one round of Con I counted 3 S&G mistakes, so Pro wins in that department. Con eviscerated Pro's argument however. Pro would've lost conduct points for FF, but Con's condescending and sarcastic remarks in the final rounds brought it back to a tie for that.