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Is God real?

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Started: 6/13/2018 Category: Religion
Updated: 6 days ago Status: Voting Period
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super123

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I believe that there is a God who exists. There is a lot of proof to this as archeaologists have found ancient structures that have been stated in the Bible for example Bethesdas pool or the place where Gods son Jesus was buried. Even the great Isacc Newton has also said that it is the will of God that the solar system moves the way it does now. So thats why I say there is a God that exists.
ArguingPerson123

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Well, first of all, Jesus was a real person. The crucifixion really happened. However, it is difficult to prove whether he was really the son of God who performed miracles, a mad man, or just a religious activist who was later claimed to be the son of God. Although they did find his tomb, and it was empty, it could have easily been removed by someone who found it in the last few thousand years before its official discovery. Also, Newton had a scientific explanation as to why planets orbited the sun. He just said it was the "will of God" because of how amazing it was. Religion has nothing to do with it. https://spaceplace.nasa.gov...

Now to my argument. If there was a God, why would he allow so much suffering? I know you say it is caused by people, not God, which is true, but it still doesn't change the fact that children are born in very different conditions. Some are born into fair families, and get the chance to learn about God while other children are born in places where they soon starve, and no nothing of religion or learn a very different one. If God was real, he would at least allow children to start off somewhat fairly so that they would only end up suffering if they caused it by sinning. Next, on to sinning. Why is it a sin to God to be gay? If a person is gay, unless they are just pretending to be gay for attention, it is because they have a hormonal
defect that causes them to be attracted to other males. So, in essence, it would be like punishing an autistic kid for having autism. In both cases, it is not the person's fault, and there is nothing inherently evil about it. And we haven't even scratched the surface of unfair or just odd rules in the Bible.
Finally, where did the Bible even come from? Although it does have historical events in it, you still cannot prove that certain people in it even existed, or that their stories were exaggerated to fit Christianity, along with adding stories of complete nonsense. The same applies to the other two major Abrahamic religions.
Debate Round No. 1
super123

Pro

First off, no one could have moved the stone that had blocked the tomb as there was no technology capable of moving the stone and second scientists have done tests on the tomb and it has been proved that it is the resting place of Christ. Also to answer your argument on why all these bad things are happening to people who have not known Christ it is because of the evil snake called Satan/Lucifer/Devil. The Devil does not want people to know Christ/God so the devil would do all these bad things to us or try to tempt us to do bad things. I know you might say that if it was true then why didn't God just create a world without evil? Well the answer is it's because he wants us to choose what is right and what is not. I can also prove that the people in the Bible have exisited here on Earth as a seal was found that had belonged to the prophet Isaiah.

Now here's my arguements: If God hadn't existed how would the world have been created? Well you could say it was the Big Bang, but if it was the Big Bang how would our planet Earth have all the perfect things for humans and animals and how would we have been created? Also if God doesn't exist then how do we have an amazing DNA which is like our code? Plus if he never existed then why would he even care about us by sending his son Jesus to die on the cross for us? Also if God didn't exist how would you explain on all the miracles he has done? Some people may be wondering, well those miracles could be fake! Well if you say that then how would you explain all the people God has done miracles through? So you still can't really prove that God doesn't exist.
ArguingPerson123

Con

You also can't prove that the flying spaghetti monster doesn't exist. Most "miracles," despite having "witnesses," didn't happen. Jesus was a real guy, right? Well, although most historians say yes, that is up for debate. So is the existence of King Arthur. Now, King Arthur occured at a much later time, right. However, people still can't separate fact from fiction about him, despite artifacts loosely pointing to his existence. The same is for Jesus. Even if he is real, you don't know what he did or didn't do. Same with all these other miracles. Some stories out of the Bible, which, by the way, is pretty much the only evidence for God, don't even make sense scientifically or logically. So the reason you can't prove God doesn't exist is because you cannot disprove a being that exists outside of space and time who you can't see or here. All you have are questionable stories about him.
Debate Round No. 2
super123

Pro

Well what can you say about the chariots found at the bottom of the Red Sea with the bones of horses and Pharaohs men? Do you think they were just taking a dive underwater and decided to drown??? Also the only reason that the miracles don't make sense logically and scientifically is because you just don't want to accept the fact that this is the true power of God and that you just don't want accept that God is real and that he sent his son Jesus to die on the cross for us and if I have questionable stories about him then why do I have facts about it? If God never really existed explain how the world started and how we are here on the planet we live on now called Earth which has everything we need like water, oxygen, minerals, etc. Everything needs a beginning, anything that has a beginning needs to be caused by something therefore it was created by God.
ArguingPerson123

Con

Oh, did they: https://www.truthorfiction.com...
What facts? Again, Jesus was likely a real person. But it is not fact that he performed miracles, or came back to life. It is possible. Also, science has explanations as to how the universe formed backed by massive amounts of evidence. Technically, they're just theories, but they are theories backed by more evidence than the Bible is. God was an easy answer for people from ancient times when they couldn't figure out why the world was the way it was. They didn't have the technology we have today to figure out things, so they took a guess. They decided that various sky daddies made the world and controlled it. They believed all natural occurrences were caused by some higher being. Now, we have disproven some religions because facts like the seasons and such don't match their stories. The reason we can't disprove God is because we can't disprove that there is no magical sky daddy when he "exists outside of time and space." How would we find him? We couldn't. However, we can disprove lots of parts of the Bible, and despite some of it being tied to real events, find the fiction within. I could go into specifics, if you like.
Debate Round No. 3
super123

Pro

Like what? Plus if saying that God was an easy answer how can you prove that the Israelites when led out of Egypt by Moses didn't see God? While saying there's various Gods isn't true there's only one. Also you can't find fiction within the Bible you can only find the truth, facts, etc. In your first argument you asked where does the Bible come from right? Well the Bible comes from REAL people who wrote the truth I can prove this because a scroll was found with the prophets name Isaiah on it. If you can't prove that the monster named Blarg doesn't exist you can't prove that God doesn't exist. Also I'm sure that a big bang can't start out of no where,so.. You can't have a big bang. Also if God doesn't exist how do we exist? Plus if God never really existed then prove how do people get cured from a fatal illness that could not be cured and where doctors and scientists don't know how? That is why I know truly that God truly exists.
ArguingPerson123

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https://ncse.com...
Tell me how Noah's Ark would physically work besides,"Oh, God let it happen?"
http://www.cracked.com...
See, our understanding of science back then was poor, so we took natural occurrences we didn't understand for miracles.
Also, the big bang didn't come from nothing. It came from something so small that it was almost nothing. We don't know if the universe was caused by a big bang or if the universe even had a beginning. The big bang is just a viable theory. Also, you see, we exist because when a man and women love each other very much... You get the point. And the first humans came from very human-like creatures. Evolution may be a "theory," but it is a very strong theory with lots of fossil evidence and observation of species. If God existed, why would he let so many innocent people die? The sad truth is that there is no God, and that God is just a symbol of the good in the world. He is a figure for people to look up to in times of despair. He exists just out of reality's edge so he can't be disproven, and remains a figure of hope across the world. That is why most cultures created a god or gods. Not only to explain things with an easy answer, but so that they could believe that they had some future after death. If you look in the Bible, you find inconsistencies. https://infidels.org...
The Bible, The Koran, The Torah, and other religious books are all flawed creations that try to tell the story of "God." Just like how Homer tried to show the Greeks the stories of their gods. See, there is even evidence that Troy was a real place. Does that make the Greeks' religion right? NO! The reason that religion is almost non-existent today is because science took it easily apart. It tried to explain the seasons, why things were the way they were, etc,. However, when people learned that was wrong, and both Rome and Greece fell, their religion fell as well. However, because Christianity is a large part of modern-day western society, when science found evidence that showed Genesis was wrong, people either chose to ignore it, argue against it in futility, or say,"Yeah, but that doesn't mean the WHOLE thing is wrong, does it?" The point is that by believing there is a force controlling the world that is on your side as long as you believe in him, you feel better about yourself, and not as scared of death. That is why people believe in God and try their best to serve him and prove he is real in futility.
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by ArguingPerson123 6 days ago
ArguingPerson123
Mold. And the guy who claimed to identify the blood type and flesh as heart muscle was a fraud.
Posted by Percivil 1 week ago
Percivil
Explain the scientific analysis then. Go google them. Pay close attention to the weight of the flesh before and after they weighed it
Posted by ArguingPerson123 1 week ago
ArguingPerson123
A story made up to prove their religion. Or a minor easily explained event happened and was then twisted to into "The food and drink turned into flesh and blood."
Posted by Percivil 1 week ago
Percivil
Con:If god does not exist,explain the miracle of lanciano
Posted by missmedic 1 week ago
missmedic
gods have never been proven to be needed, productive or useful. So I have to ask what does your god do?
Posted by ArguingPerson123 1 week ago
ArguingPerson123
Read this: https://www.newscientist.com...

Although God could be real, it is likely that when you were going through your challenges and needed help, your subconscious appeared in the form of "God" to help you out. The human mind is quite powerful, and can really convince itself of things.
Posted by super123 1 week ago
super123
Actually I know it is true as I have experienced him countless of times as when he was helping me through my different challenges.
Posted by canis 1 week ago
canis
"Is God real?"..its a doctrine you say you believe in..And say you know nothing about it...But you believe its true because its your fundamental belief is to believe in a doctrine you say you believe in.... And say you know nothing about it..Except believing in it..
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Vote Placed by RMTheSupreme 6 days ago
RMTheSupreme
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Reasons for voting decision: Let's keep this reason for voting short and simple: Con didn't just point out how Pro lacked meeting the BoP but Con further went to use any and all arguments that Pro used to justify the existence of a non-Christian god instead (in this case, specifically the Flying Spaghetti Monster[FSM]). Pro said God's son was Jesus in Round 1 meaning that Pro could not deny they had ended up restricting themselves to the proof of the Christian God especially as the title says 'God' and not 'a god'. Pro failed in all respects in this debate. I believe in a god personally and did not let this bias my view. Con used 'reliable' sources (I am a flat Earther and highly despise NASA as I see them a corrupt regime run by an alien race that operates this simulation but since NASA is regarded as reliable by present science I am merely enslaved to the status quo).