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JosephSavageTruth101
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btrxscopez
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Is God real

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Started: 4/11/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 1 year ago Status: Debating Period
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JosephSavageTruth101

Pro

Ggod is real. There is evidence. For example in Isaiah 17Good News Translation (GNT)
it states that, "God Will Punish Syria and Israel
17 The Lord said, "Damascus will not be a city any longer; it will be only a pile of ruins. 2 The cities of Syria will be deserted forever.[a] They will be a pasture for sheep and cattle, and no one will drive them away. 3 Israel will be defenseless, and Damascus will lose its independence. Those Syrians who survive will be in disgrace like the people of Israel. I, the Lord Almighty, have spoken."

4 The Lord said, "A day is coming when Israel's greatness will come to an end, and its wealth will be replaced by poverty. 5 Israel will be like a field where the grain has been cut and harvested, as desolate as a field in Rephaim Valley when it has been picked bare. 6 Only a few people will survive, and Israel will be like an olive tree from which all the olives have been picked except two or three at the very top, or a few that are left on the lower branches. I, the Lord God of Israel, have spoken."

7 When that day comes, people will turn for help to their Creator, the holy God of Israel. 8 They will no longer rely on the altars they made with their own hands, or trust in their own handiwork"symbols of the goddess Asherah and altars for burning incense.

9 When that day comes, well-defended cities will be deserted and left in ruins like the cities that the Hivites and the Amorites[b] abandoned as they fled from the people of Israel.

10 Israel, you have forgotten the God who rescues you and protects you like a mighty rock. Instead, you plant sacred gardens[c] in order to worship a foreign god. 11 But even if they sprouted and blossomed the very morning you planted them, there would still be no harvest. There would be only trouble and incurable pain." The current Syria is full of civil war and espicially that Donald Trump bombed Syria. Als it states in the bible that, there will be WW3.
btrxscopez

Con

You present nothing about the structure of the debate and so I will go about refuting your opening statement and then presenting my own opening argument against God's existence.

Your first argument appears to be based around a prediction in the Bible, it states that Syria and Israel will be left in ruin. You claim that with the conflict in these regions the Bible's predictions will soon be fulfilled and so God must be real. No firstly I must remind you that the Bible's predictions have yet to come true, Damascus is still a large city and Syria and Israel are still functional countries, the Bible's prediction will not necessarily be correct and assuming it will be is a massive leap in logic.

Secondly even if the prediction in the Bible was correct it wouldn't mean anything, anyone could write a story and make some predictions about the real world in it, some of those predictions may end up being true, does that mean the story was real? Of course not.

Finally a present my argument against God. There is no evidence, scientific or otherwise, that supports God's existence, with this it's impossible for us to assume God exists. Of course we can't be 100% certain God doesn't exist either but with various scientific theories removing the need for a deity there is a very small chance a God of any kind is real.
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Posted by canis 1 year ago
canis
Wonder what the word "real" can mean "?...What is in a book ?...what is in a mind ?..No.
Posted by Iacov 1 year ago
Iacov
Now I am a theist but I must say bravo to con on your opening arguement I look forward to the rest of the debate.
Posted by btrxscopez 1 year ago
btrxscopez
"i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. "

In this statement you show how little you care for actual facts, instead you cling to your beliefs and blind faith. You don't know that God must exist and that something intelligent must have created the Universe, your just guessing based on your beliefs. Also there is something we know about that can seemingly create matter from nothing, it's called quantum fluctuations, where matter fluctuates in and out of existence in empty space, it might not have caused the Universe but it shows the idea of matter from nothing is plausible.

"There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward."

You assume here that there must be some higher power that created the Universe, which is again something based in your beliefs, you don't even consider the more realistic option of a natural cause.

Also uzairmahmud, while I appreciate you giving your opinion could you not post your comment 9 times, it's misleading.
Posted by uzairmahmud 1 year ago
uzairmahmud
i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward.
Posted by uzairmahmud 1 year ago
uzairmahmud
i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward.
Posted by uzairmahmud 1 year ago
uzairmahmud
i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward.
Posted by uzairmahmud 1 year ago
uzairmahmud
i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward.
Posted by uzairmahmud 1 year ago
uzairmahmud
i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward.
Posted by uzairmahmud 1 year ago
uzairmahmud
i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward.
Posted by uzairmahmud 1 year ago
uzairmahmud
i hope you win, JosephSavageTruth101!!! God is real, no doubt. Something had to have created the universe, created us. Nothing cannot come from something. There is only one God, and nothing is above him. if there was something above him, or more powerful than him, then it would have to judge what the other god says, and then the Gods will argue, which is like the Greek Gods. God is there to move things forward.
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