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godrulz
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AlexanderHam
Con (against)

Is Jesus Christ Almighty God in the flesh or a mere created being?

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Started: 3/12/2017 Category: Religion
Updated: 10 months ago Status: Debating Period
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godrulz

Pro

(my initial 2 debates were started with someone who agrees with me and who were not responsive, so this is another attempt for con to join).
One of the most important questions (apart from the existence of God =Genesis 1:1) is Jesus in Mark 8:29 "Who do you say I am?". The biblical, historical, orthodox view is the Deity of Christ. This is denied by false religions (Islam) and pseudo-Christian cults (JW, Unitarian, Mormon, etc.). This is an essential, salvific issue since a false god, counterfeit Christ, false gospel cannot save like the real/genuine can (Gal. 1:6-9; 2 Cor. 11:4; Jude 3). The Deity of Christ will have trinitarian implications denied by Oneness/modalism/Sabellianism, polytheism/tritheism, and Arianism (heresies). The Deity, incarnation, death, resurrection of Christ is what makes biblical Christianity unique and the only way to the Father/eternal life (Jn. 1:1; Jn. 3:16; I Jn. 5:11-13; Rom. 10:9-10; I Cor. 15:1-4, etc.). The primary source documents are the inspired Gospels/Word of God, subject to translation and interpretation.

Who do you say Jesus is?
Where did you get those ideas?
Have you considered the claims of Christ, what He and others said about Himself/Him?

I am evangelical, Protestant, Pentecostal Christian.
AlexanderHam

Con

First off let's begin with clearing things out. The bible is not a primary source therefore the bible is an invalid source of evidence.
Second the bible was written by 40 authors wrote the Bible over a period of 1,500 years, now you may argue "According to 2 Timothy 3:16, Scripture is "breathed out" by God" however that argument is invalid since such "magic" hasn"t ever been recorded and proven true in human history other than in the bible.
Third the story of a man, born from a virgin, was resurrected, was something that was going around the Mediterranean for at least a thousand years.
For example Krishna who was in India a thousand years before Christ , he was a carpenter, born of a virgin, baptized in a river.
Persian god Mithra 800 years before Christ, born December 25, performed miracles, resurrected on the third day, known as the lamb, the way, the truth, the savior, the messiah.
Is Jesus Christ Almighty God in the flesh? No. The bible were simply stories to keep people in line written by wise men who obviously drew inspiration from "campfire stories" passed along the Mediterranean from generation to generation.
Debate Round No. 1
godrulz

Pro

The Bible IS the primary source document on the birth, life, death, resurrection, claims of Christ. You cannot dismiss it a priori as an invalid source without making cogent arguments against its inspiration, historical accuracy, etc. It should be considered as evidence. Some will say the Bible does not teach the Deity of Christ and others say it does. The debate goes no where if you do not consider Jesus to be historical or the Bible to be inadmissible evidence despite credible eyewitness accounts. The view of the Bible is another debate, not this one. The Bible's claims could be dismissed if you have a materialistic, atheistic, anti-supernatural bias, but this must be argued in another debate. The unity of divergent authors over centuries leading to a profound, unified book does not support your case.

The pagan myth stories are not the source of biblical accounts. This is an old, refuted argument since the biblical often predates the later, apocryphal counterfeits. The differences also far exceed the similarities. You can find info on this lame argument with some searching from credible apologetic sources. The details of the life of Christ are unique, not borrowed. Zeitgeist is conspiracy, not credible. Often the parallels are misrepresented when the facts are known. Memes are not scholarship. Jesus was not born on Dec. 25. You are displaying ignorance of the history of that date. The parallels are not what you claim and the causal link also does not exist.

I believe you theory has been refuted over and over. I was expecting a false religion or cult to take up this debate, not a skeptic who is misinformed about sound argumentation, history, Scripture, etc. There is a difference between evidence based historical research and popular, vapid claims without evidence.

It would seem that your argument is that the historical records about Christ are myth, so Jesus must be mere man if He existed.

If the eyewitness accounts are true, we see that Jesus is God in the flesh, risen from the dead. You could say He is a liar or a lunatic. Few think he is a legend, but some try to claim He did not exist (lunatic fringe view). The reality is that He is Lord of lords and King of kings. This rises and falls on His claims, miracles, resurrection. If true, Christianity is unique and the only way to God. If false, Christians are fools (I Cor. 15).
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Posted by godrulz 10 months ago
godrulz
Conspiracy theory/nonsense is not evidence based scholarship.
Posted by romanpiso 10 months ago
romanpiso
The Bible was created by an Oligarchy consisting of royalty descending from the founder of the 12th Dynasty in Egypt. That particular Oligarchy has been referred to as 'The Biblical Dynasty'. Information about it can be found online. The Bible was created by royals in order to better control and manipulate non-royal subjects using developed ideological concepts. The effect upon believers is psychological warfare.

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