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Is Jesus God?

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Started: 8/17/2009 Category: Religion
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Republican95

Con

Resolution: Is Jesus Christ, God?

For the sake of this debate we are assuming that God (the Christian God of the Bible) and Jesus Christ are both real.

I stand in opposition of the statement that Jesus Christ is God, even though many Christians believe this. My that statement they mean that Christ is God in the flesh. I prove any Christian to prove me wrong.

==Arguments==

1) How could God die? Many Christians hold the belief that God is immortal, or could never be destroyed. Then how could it be that Jesus (God) died on a cross? This is a question I have pondered many times and have only reached one conclusion: Jesus isn't God.

2) If Jesus if God, then why does Jesus pray to God on several occasions in the Bible? Read John chapter 17. Jesus is obviously praying to the Father. So, if Jesus is the father, why is he praying to himself?

3) If Jesus if God, and God is all-knowing, then why does Jesus not know some things? For example in Mark 13:32 Jesus claims to not know the day nor hour when the end will come, but the Father does. How can Jesus, who is supposedly, the Father, not know?

4) Why does Jesus never refer to himself as God?

That is all for now.
Xer

Pro

I thank my opponent for the debate, and wish him good luck.

*NOTE- This debate can be rebutted with one word: Trinity. The Trinity is the most fundamental belief in Christianity. The Trinity states the unity of the Father (immortal God), Son (mortal God- Jesus), and the Holy Spirit. Without the belief in the Trinity, Christianity would not exist as it does. However, I will have some fun with this and not just leave the debate with this single paragraph.

*NOTE- All scripture passages are from the King James version of the Bible. All capitals are added for emphasis.

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RE: ARGUMENT 1

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and THE WORD WAS GOD.

John 1:14
...THE WORD WAS MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us...

the word = god
the word = was made flesh
flesh = Jesus

RE: ARGUMENT 2

As can be seen in the above two passages, Jesus has two natures. He is both God and man. Jesus is completely human, but he also has a divine nature. Just like every other human, Jesus needed to pray. When he prayed, he was not praying to himself though. He was praying to God, the father.

RE: ARGUMENT 3

Ditto RE: Argument 2. As a human mortal, Jesus did not know everything. Simple.

RE: ARGUMENT 4

Jesus never explicitly call himself God, but he implied it.

John 8:57-59
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

When Jesus said "I am" he was calling himself God. The Jews took great offense to Jesus calling himself God, so they threw stones at them.

John 10:30-33
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.

Once again Jesus calls himself God, and the Jews once against stone him for implying he is God.

John 14:5-9
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

Once again Jesus calls himself the Father.

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John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us.

John 8:58
Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

John 10:30-31
I and my Father are one. Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.

John 10:38-39
The Father is in me, and I in him. Therefore they sought again to take him.

John 14:9
He that hath seen me hath seen the Father.

John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.

Acts 20:28
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

Colossians 1:16
For by him [Jesus] were all things created.

Colossians 2:9
For in him [Jesus] dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

1 Timothy 3:16
God was made manifest in the flesh.

Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ.

Philippians 2:6
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God.

Hebrews 1:8
But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.

Revelation 1:17
Fear not; I am the first and the last.

Revelation 22:13
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
Debate Round No. 1
Republican95

Con

Republican95 forfeited this round.
Xer

Pro

Ok then...
Debate Round No. 2
Republican95

Con

Republican95 forfeited this round.
Xer

Pro

I'm agnostic and go out of my way to defend Jesus just for a challenge, and I'm met with: "Republican95 forfeited this round." twice.
Debate Round No. 3
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Posted by RoyLatham 7 years ago
RoyLatham
Forfeiting loses conduct and leaves all arguments unrebutted.
Posted by Xer 7 years ago
Xer
Everything Pro except S&G tied.
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