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wpfairbanks
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Is Learning Better Than Understanding.

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Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 3/30/2009 Category: Education
Updated: 7 years ago Status: Voting Period
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ANKIT

Con

Hi I chose this topic,
because today's we see that the students believe in learning something like a parrot. But i stand against it and before clarifing this i want tha the opponent sould first keep his point.
So anyone is welcomed to accept my challenge.
wpfairbanks

Pro

It is, after all, no doubt a clever strategy to set a debate at 2 rounds, not to state your resolution, get to pick the topic, and give your opponent the burden of proof. It would be foolish for me to fall into this. I have my resolution on this topic, but since you started the debate, you are to state your resolution first, and I'll give you the second round to do it. The way these online debates work, is the advantage of choosing the topic is balanced by the contender speaking lastly, thus removing him of the burden of proof. I hope you can see how absurd it would be for me to willingly give both of these to you.

I await your response. Best of luck, as always.
Debate Round No. 1
ANKIT

Con

ANKIT forfeited this round.
wpfairbanks

Pro

Unfortunately, since my opponent has not responded, I will attack his original resolution, and allow my counter to his resolution to stand alone.

By referring to learning 'like a parrot', my opponent is clearly stating that memorization is not better than understanding, or comprehension.

I would like to contend this point on the basis that though comprehension is more valuable than mere memorization, only through memorization is one ABLE to comprehend. This logic does not apply to innate and instinctive practices, but we are arguing about learning.

Since one cannot 'learn' to comprehend or understand something, one must first memorize, and only when memorization has occurred, one can synthesize thoughts (comprehend) on one's own.

These are the 4 steps to understanding:

Unconsciously Incompetent (don't know they don't know how to accomplish the skill, task or perform the activity
Consciously Incompetent (know they don't know how to accomplish the skill, task or perform the activity)
Consciously Competent (know how but need to concentrate to perform the skill, task or activity)
Unconsciously Competent (know how to accomplish the skill, task or activity without thinking about it)

This helps explain that only through conscious labor of thought (memorization), can something come to be second nature.

This model, developed by educational philosopher at Unisa, shows that only through memorization, can understanding be obtained:

Literal = Facts
Lateral = Context (historical, political, geographical etc)
Critical = What's behind all this?
Speculative = What will happen next?

This also exemplifies the dependance of the former on the later, causally.

I thus contend, learning is better than understanding, because of the causal implications of learning are the only way to developed understanding.

Thank you all

Sources:
http://www.fregger.com...
http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au...
Debate Round No. 2
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Posted by TheSkeptic 7 years ago
TheSkeptic
The winner is obvious due to forfeits and a lack of arguments - PRO wins.
Posted by wpfairbanks 7 years ago
wpfairbanks
Oh I don't know about being a good Christian, well I believe that there is no such thing. Oh yes, that's right, no good christians from sure. I find it extremely annoying to post 'vote pro ' or 'vote con'. We have a voting system for a reason.
Posted by studentathletechristian8 7 years ago
studentathletechristian8
yo u posted a comment on one of my debates like half an hour ago. don't go around getting pissed off at me that i pointed out that the vote must go to pro because the con side supported pro's argument. it's only logical. don't curse at people you don't know. be a good christian and help those who seek it and those who don't
Posted by wpfairbanks 7 years ago
wpfairbanks
Well, I do essentially agree. I will wait for a resolution, and I will attack it.
Posted by paramore102 7 years ago
paramore102
if u understand something dosent that mean that you must have learned what that understanding is?
im confused by how this is going to be debated.
Posted by ANKIT 7 years ago
ANKIT
yeah wp you got it correct, so keep thinking its just a very simple topic we follow at our school time.
for hint
its related to the way of studying things.
Posted by wpfairbanks 7 years ago
wpfairbanks
I accepted because it is a very interesting resolution-- something I would like to debate. I am not going to be fooled into being forced to state my position out of the contrary position. You know?
Posted by JP 7 years ago
JP
wfairbanks, why did you accept it if you don't like the setup?
Posted by Maikuru 7 years ago
Maikuru
Very strange debate so far.
Posted by ANKIT 7 years ago
ANKIT
I 'll be clarifying it after my opponent's views.
pls. keep patience as its an interesting topic I want to see that what my opponent really thought before accepting my challenge.
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