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Is Michael Jordan better than Kobe Bryant

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danielawesome12

Pro

I believe than Michael Jordan is a better basketball player than Kobe Bryant. I have already debated this, but in my previous debate my opponent forfeited 2 rounds so I would like to do this debate again.
sakskidz

Con

I know I will lose this but ill do my best
StatisticsCareer-highsGame & date[a]StatisticsCareer-highsGame & date[a]
Points81versus Toronto Raptors on January 22, 2006Offensive rebounds8at Dallas Mavericks on April 18, 2000
Field goals made28versus Toronto Raptors on January 22, 2006Defensive rebounds13versus Seattle SuperSonics on January 17, 2000
Field goals attempt47at Boston Celtics on November 7, 2002Total rebounds16 (2 times) "[10]
3-point field goals made12versus Seattle SuperSonics on January 7, 2003Assists15versus Washington Wizards on February 12, 2002
3-point field goals attempt18versus Seattle SuperSonics on January 7, 2003Steals7versus Utah Jazz on February 13, 2006
Free throws made23 (2 times) "Blocks5 (3 times) "
Free throws attempt27 (2 times) "Minutes played54 (3 times) "
Source:[11]
a "at" signifies that the Lakers played against the other team on the road; "versus" signifies that the Lakers played against the other team at home.
Career ranking [edit]
As of January 27th, 2013
Career" season[9]
Free throws made " 4th (7641)
Points " 4th (31,617)
Field goal attempts " 7th (23,646)
Free throw attempts " 7th (9,169)
Field goals made " 8th (10,725)
Points per game " 10th (25.5)
3-point field goal attempts " 10th (4,728)
Turnovers " 7th (3,576)
3-point field goals made " 12th (1,595)
Steals " 15th (1,785)
Minutes played " 14th (44,046)
Steals per game " 36th (1.49)
Minutes per game " 10th (36.6)
Games played " 29th " (1,204)
Assists " 38th (5,630)
Free throw % " 73rd (.838)
Personal fouls " 74th (3,101)
Defensive rebounds " 78th (4,955)
Assists per game " 113th (4.66)
Rebounds " 150th (6,354)
Blocks " 178th (605)
Rebounds per game " 206th (5.29)
Offensive rebounds " 212th (1,399)
Career " playoffs[12]
3-point field goal attempts " 1st (882)
3-point field goals made " 3rd (292)
Field goal attempts " 3rd (4,499)
Free throws made " 2nd (1,320)
Points " 3rd (5,640)
Minutes played " 3rd (8,641)
Turnovers " 3rd (647)
Field goals made " 4th (2,014)
Free throw attempts " 5th (1,617)
Games played " 5th (220)
Steals " 7th (310)
Personal fouls " 8th (660)
Assists " 9th (1,040)
Points per game " 13th (25.64)
Defensive rebounds " 21st (889)
Steals per game " 31st (1.41)
Blocks " 35th (144)
Rebounds " 39th (1,119)
Minutes per game " 45th (39.28)
Assists per game " 50th (4.73)
Blocks per game " 54th (0.65)
Offensive rebounds " 59th (230)
Free throw % " 97th (.8163)
Rebounds per game " 125th (5.08)
3-point field goal % " 148th (.3312)
Only include statistics in which Bryant is ranked in the top 250.
NBA awards and accomplishments [edit]

Bryant shooting a free throw
5-time NBA champion: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2009, 2010[13][14][15]
7 NBA Finals appearances: 2000, 2001, 2002, 2004, 2008, 2009, 2010[13][14][15][16][17]
2-time NBA Finals MVP: 2009, 2010
NBA Most Valuable Player: 2008[7][18][19]
2-time scoring champion: 2006, 2007[20]
15-time NBA All-Star: 1998, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013[9]
14 consecutive selections, 13 consecutive appearances (No All-Star game in 1999 due to a league-wide lockout)[9][21]
Missed the 2010 game due to injury[22]
4-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 2002, 2007, 2009, 2011 (shared the 2009 award with Shaquille O'Neal)[23]
15-time All-NBA Team selection:
First team: 2002, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013[24][25]
Second team: 2000, 2001[24][25]
Third team: 1999, 2005[24][25]
12-time All-Defensive Team selection:
First team: 2000, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011[26][27]
Second team: 2001, 2002, 2012[26][27]
NBA All-Rookie Team selection:
Second team: 1997[28][29]
NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1997[30]
17-time Player of the Month: December 2000, November 2001, January 2003, March 2004, January 2006, April 2006, December 2006, March 2007, April 2007, February 2008, April 2008, December 2008, January 2009, December 2009, March 2011, December/January 2012, February 2013[9]
Player of the Month was awarded separately to Eastern and Western Conference starting from the 2001"02 season.[31]
NBA regular season leader:
games played: 1998"99 (50), 2007"08 (82), 2008"09 (82)[9]
usage percentage: 2005"06 (38.7), 2010"11 (35.1), 2011-12 (35.7)[9]
points: 2002"03 (2,461), 2005"06 (2,832, 7th in NBA history),[32] 2006"07 (2,430), 2007"08 (2,323)[9]
points per game: 2005"06 (35.4, 8th in NBA history),[33] 2006"07 (31.6)[9]
field goals attempted: 2005"06 (2,173), 2006"07 (1,757), 2007"08 (1,690), 2010"11 (1,639), 2011-12 (1336)[9]
field goals made: 2002"03 (868), 2005"06 (978), 2006"07 (813)[9]
free throws attempted: 2006"07 (768)[9]
free throws made: 2005"06 (696), 2006"07 (667)[9]
2nd most points in a game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. the Toronto Raptors)[5][6]
NBA playoffs leader:
win shares: 2001 (3.8)
points: 2004 (539), 2008 (633), 2009 (695), 2010 (671)
points per game: 2003 (32.1), 2007 (32.8), 2008 (30.1)
minutes played: 2002 (833), 2004 (973)
field goals made: 2004 (190), 2008 (222), 2009 (242), 2010 (234)
field goals attempted: 2002 (431), 2004 (460), 2008 (463), 2009 (530), 2010 (511)
free throws made: 2004 (135), 2008 (157), 2009 (174), 2010 (154)
free throws attempted: 2008 (194), 2010 (183)
steals: 2000 (32), 2009 (38)
turnovers: 2010 (79)
personal fouls: 2000 (89)
NBA records [edit]

Currently holds [edit]

Bryant scored 50 points or more in four consecutive games in 2007.
Bryant holds or shares numerous NBA records:
Most All-Star Game MVP awards won, career: 4 (tied with Bob Pettit)
Most All-Star Game points scored, career: 271[34]
Most All-Star Game field goals made, career: 111
Most offensive rebounds in an All-Star Game: 10
Most All-NBA Total Selections won, career: 15 (tied with Kareem Abdul-Jabbar)
Most All-NBA First Team honors won, career: 11 (tied with Karl Malone)
Most All-Defensive First Team honors won, career: 9 (tied with Michael Jordan, Gary Payton, and Kevin Garnett)
Most three-point field goals made, one game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics; shared with Donyell Marshall)[35]
Most three-point field goal attempts, career-playoffs: 882[36]
Most field goal attempts, career-playoffs: 4,499
Most three-point field goal attempts, career-finals: 153
Most free throws made, four-game playoff series: 51 (second round vs. Sacramento Kings, 2001)[37]
Most points scored in one arena, career: 13,812 (as of March 9, 2012, at Staples Center, Los Angeles)[38][39]
Surpassed Hakeem Olajuwon, the previous holder of the record[39]
Youngest player to score 22,000 points: (30 years, 99 days)[40]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[40]
Youngest player to score 23,000 points: (30 years, 171 days)[41]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[41]
Youngest player to score 24,000 points: (31 years, 76 days)[42]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[42]
Youngest player to score 25,000 points: (31 years, 151 days)[43]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record[43]
Youngest player to score 26,000 points: (32 years, 80 days)[44]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 27,000 points: (32 years, 160 days)[45]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the record
Youngest player to score 28,000 points: (33 years, 131 days)[46][47]
score 29,000 points: (33 years, amberlain, the previous holder of the
Youngest player to score 31,000 points: (34 years, 185 days)[50]
Surpassed Wilt Chamberlain, the previous holder of the recordYoungest player to be named to the NBA All-Rookie Team: (1996"97)
Youngest player to be named to the NBA All-Defensive Team: (1999"00)
Youngest player to start a game: (18 years, 158 days)
Youngest player to start an All-Star game
Youngest player to win the NBA Slam Dunk Championship: (18 years, 169 days)
Only player in NBA history to score at least 600 points in the postseason for three consecutive years. I just took this off Wikipedia
Debate Round No. 1
danielawesome12

Pro

Michael Jordan- http://espn.go.com......
Kobe Bryant- http://espn.go.com......

Shooting statistics
A. Highest Points per game list by season. (with Field Goal Percentage)

Kobe Bryant
1. 35.4, 45% 3005-2006
2. 31.6, 46.3% 2006-2007
3. 30.0, 45.1% 2002-2003
Michael Jordan
1. 37.1, 48.2% 1986-1987
2. 35.0, 53.5% 1987-1988
3. 33.6, 52.6 1989-1990
Just from this you can tell Michael Jordan was a better shooter. In addition Micheal Jordan's career scoring average is 30.1 Points per game, while in Kobe's 3rd highest scoring year he averaged 30.0 points Per Game, not to forgot Jordan shot 49.7% while Kobe has currently shot 45.4% in his career.

Highest rebounds statistics, by season.

Kobe Bryant
6.9 2002-2003
6.9 1999-2000
6.3 2007-2008

Michael Jordan
8.0 1998-1999
6.9 1989-1990
6.9 1994-1995

In total Michael Jordan averaged 6.3 rebounds per game, while Kobe only averaged 5.2. Some say this is only because Michael Jordan is taller, I think not because he also averaged less turnovers per game despite being the taller player.
( Michael = 2.7 Turnovers per game Kobe = 3.0 turnovers per game)

Kobe's Teammates have been a gargantuan factor in his career.

PPG= Points Per Game RPG= Rebounds Per game
Had amazing talent alongside through his career that led him to championships.
Glen Rice (18.3 , 4.4 RPG)
Dennis Rodman (7.8 PPG, 13.1 RPG) (Played alongside both Michael and Kobe)
Lamar Odom ( 13.3 PPG, 8.4 RPG)
Derek Fisher( Hit an amazing game-winner vs. the San Antonio Spurs when the series was tied 2-2) https://www.youtube.com...
Andrew Bynum (11.7 PPG, 7.8 RPG)
Pau Gasol ( 18.4 PPG, 9.2 RPG)
Metta World Peace/ Ron Artest ( 14.1 PPG, 4.7 RPG)
Dwight Howard ( 18.3 PPG, 12.9 RPG)
Steve Nash ( 14.4 PPG, 3.0 RPG, 8.5 Assists per game)
Shaquille O'Neal (23.9 PPG, 10.9 RPG) (was 1 vote shy of a unanimous MVP vote.)
http://espn.go.com......
http://articles.philly.com......

Stats

1. Michael Jordan is 6 for 6 in the NBA finals, while Kobe is 5 for 7 in the NBA finals.

2. Michael shot 49.7% while Kobe shot 45.4% per game.

3. Michael had 6.2 Rebounds per game, while Kobe has averaged 5.3 per game.

4. Michael had 5.3 assists per game, while Kobe currently has 4.8 per game

5. Micheal had 0.8 Blocks per game while Kobe has averaged 0.5 per game.

6. Michael had 2.3 Steals per game, while Kobe has averaged 1.5 per game.

7. Michael had 2.7 turnovers per game, while Kobe has averaged 3.0 per game.

8. Michael recorded 422 Double-Doubles

9. Oldest player in NBA history to score 50 points in a game: 38 years, 315 days (51 points, vs. New Orleans Hornets, December 29, 2001)

10. Oldest player in NBA history to score 40 points in a game: 40 years, 4 days (43 points, vs. New Jersey Nets, February 21, 2003)[22]

Records

1. Michael Jordan had 866 games in a row in which he scored double-digit.

2. Michael was the only player to record a triple-double during a all-star game.

3. Michael scored 41 Points per game during the 1993 NBA Finals

4. Michael had 10 NBA scoring titles

5. Michael won the Finals MVP 6 times

6. Michael Jordan tied an all-time defensive record once, with eight steals in a half.

7. Michael Jordan holds the all-time playoff points per game record with 33.5

8. Michael Jordan produced an amazing all-time regular season record 563 games where he scored over 30 points.

9. Michael has the all-time record for most points ever in a playoff game with 63 vs. the Celtics in 1986.

10. Michael Jordan set a still standing playoff record in the 1991 Finals vs LA when he scored on 13 consecutive field goals without a miss. That is a Finals record but it is also an all-time playoff record.

11. Michael Jordan is the only player in NBA history to never once score under 15 points in any playoff game he ever played in.

12. Michael Jordan holds the all-time record for free throws made in the playoffs with 1,463.

13. Michael Jordan holds the all-time record for the most blocked shots ever by a guard with 893.

14. Michael Jordan had 131 blocks in a single 82 game season is the most ever recorded by a guard

Spawning the Shooting Guard Era

because of Michael the NBA transitioned from Centers taking the most shots (due to the Chamberlain Era) to Guards. In Europe Centers tend to shoot more. ( Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, Dirk Novitzki)
some Shooting Guards that began dominating the league during the middle and end of the Jordan Era are
Allen Iverson, Kobe Bryant, Tracy Mcgrady, Vince Carter, Larry Hughes, Ray Allen, Michael Redd, Richard Hamilton, Ben Gordon, Jason Terry, Jerry Stackhouse, and Manu Ginobili.
sakskidz

Con

Bryant holds or shares numerous Lakers franchise records:
Most seasons played
17 (1996"1997 to 2012"2013)
Most playoff seasons played
15 (1997 " 2004, 2006 " 2012)
Games
Most career regular-season games played: 1,161[63]
Most career playoff games played: 220[64]
Points
Career: 31,056 (as of February 26, 2013)[65] Surpassed Jerry West, the previous holder of the record, on February 1, 2010[66]

Career, playoffs: 5,640 (as of May 12, 2011)[65] Surpassed Jerry West, the previous holder of the record, on April 23, 2010)[67]

Season: 2,832 (2005"06)[9]
Game: 81 (on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5][6]
Half: 55 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5]
Quarter: 30 (twice, most recently on November 30, 2006 in 3rd quarter vs. Utah Jazz)[5]
Games scoring 60 points or more, career: 5 (as of March 22, 2011)[68]
Games scoring 50 points or more, career: 24 (as of March 22, 2011)[68]
Games scoring 50 points or more, season: 10 (2006"07)[1]
Games scoring 40 points or more, career: 114 (as of January 13, 2012)[66]
Games scoring 40 points or more, season: 27 (2005"06)[69]
Consecutive games of 50 points or more: 4 (March 16"23, 2007)[70] Behind Wilt Chamberlain (7 consecutive games five times in 1961"62)[70]

Consecutive games of 40 points or more: 9 (February 6"23, 2003)[71] Tied with Michael Jordan (1986"87) and behind Wilt Chamberlain (14 consecutive games twice in 1961"62 and 10 consecutive games in 1962"63)[71][72]

Field goals made and attempted
Career attempts: 22,866 (as of November 17, 2012)[65][73]
Career: 10,286 (as of March 9, 2012)[74]
Career, playoffs: 2,014 (as of May 12, 2011)[75]
Career attempts, playoffs: 4,499 (as of May 12, 2011)[76]
Half: 18 (2nd half, on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[5][77]
Half attempts: 28 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on November 17, 2002 at Boston Celtics)[77]
Half, playoffs: 12 (tied with Elgin Baylor; on April 20, 2003 at Minnesota Timberwolves)[78]
Quarter: 11 (twice, most recently on January 22, 2006 vs. Toronto Raptors)[77]
Quarter attempts, playoffs: 13 (tied with 3 players; on May 13, 2003 at San Antonio Spurs)[78]
Free throws made and attempted
Career: 7,463 (as of November 17, 2012)[65][74]
Career attempts: 8,903 (as of November 17, 2012)
Career, playoffs: 1,320 (as of June 18, 2011)[64][79]
Career attempts, playoffs: 1,617 (as of June 18, 2011)[64]
Game, playoffs: 21 (on May 4, 2008 vs. Utah Jazz)[78][80]
Quarter, playoffs: 11 (tied with 3 players; on May 8, 1997 vs. Utah Jazz)[78]
Most free throws in a game without a miss, playoffs: 18 (May 18, 2012)
Consecutive: 62 (January 11"22, 2006)[5][77]
Three-point field goals made and attempted
Career: 1,521 (as of November 17, 2012)[1][77]
Career, playoffs: 292 (as of March 9, 2012)[81]
Game: 12 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[77][82]
Half: 8 (1st half, on March 28, 2003 vs. Washington Wizards)[77][83]
Consecutive: 9 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[82]
Career attempts: 4,511 (as of November 17, 2012)[65]
Career attempts, playoffs: 882 (as of June 18, 2011)[36]
Season attempts: 518 (2005"06)[1][77]
Game attempts: 18 (on January 7, 2003 vs. Seattle SuperSonics)[77][82]
Steals
Career: 1,734 (November 17, 2012)
Half: 6 (tied with 3 players; on February 13, 2006 vs. Utah Jazz)[77]
Quarter, playoffs: 3 (five times, tied with 9 players; most recently on June 15, 2008 vs. Boston Celtics)[78]
Minutes played
Career: 42,705 (as of November 17, 2012)[73][84]
Career, playoffs: 8,641 (as of June 18, 2011)[73][85]
Most points scored at modern Madison Square Garden (IV): 61 (on February 2, 2009 vs. New York Knicks)[68]
Most points scored in Christmas Day games: 383 (as of December 25, 2012)[86]
Surpassed Oscar Robertson[86]
Debate Round No. 2
danielawesome12

Pro

Refutation

- As for your weak argumet posted straight from Wikipedia, i'm not impressed.

- Seeing how Michael Jordan dominates Kobe on paper I will get onto records. (for evidence look at my previous argument.)

- Scoring 81 against Toronto isn't that hard since they were the worst defesive team in the league, you're talking about the team that started 1-15 and wasn't even close to playoff contention (finished 27-55), it's also apparent the referees generiously gave him 20 free throws. [1]

- Kobe had nothing on Jordan's records [2]
1. The records he had from being to youngest player to achieve feats are not relevant since Jordan went to college while Kobe went straight to the NBA
2. Michael jordan has many achievments including:
-Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame Class of 2009
-6-time NBA champion: 1991-93, 1996-98 (all with Chicago Bulls)
-6 NBA Finals appearances: 1991-93, 1996-98
-5-time NBA Most Valuable Player: 1988, 1991, 1992, 1996, 1998
-10-time scoring champion: 1987-93, 1996"98
-3-time steals leader: 1988, 1990, 1993
-3-time minutes leader: 1987-89
-14-time NBA All-Star: 1985-93, 1996"98, 2002-03
-3-time NBA All-Star Game MVP: 1988, 1996, 1998
-6-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player: 1991-93, 1996-98
-1-time NBA Defensive Player of the Year: 1987-88
-11-time All-NBA selection:
-First Team: 1987-93, 1996-98
-Second Team: 1985
-9-time All-Defensive selection:
-First Team: 1988-93, 1996-98
-NBA All-Rookie selection:
-First Team: 1985
-NBA Rookie of the Year: 1985
-2-time NBA Slam Dunk Contest champion: 1987, 1988
-Runner-up in 1985
-7-time The Sporting News Most Valuable Player: 1987-88, 1988"89, 1990"91, 1991"92, 1995"96, 1996"97, 1997"98
-The Sporting News Rookie of the Year: 1985
-Sports Illustrated Sportsman of the Year: 1991
-Ranked #1 by SLAM Magazine's Top 50 Players of All-time
-Ranked #1 by ESPN SportsCentury's Top North American Athletes of the 20th Century
-Selected in 1996 as one of the "50 Greatest Players in NBA History"
-Selected in 1996 as member of two of the "Top 10 Teams in NBA History"
-1991-92 Chicago Bulls (67"15; .817)
-1995-96 Chicago Bulls (72"10; .878)

United States National Team
-2x Olympic gold medals: 1984, 1992
-Pan American Games gold medal: 1983
-3x USA Basketball male athlete of the year: 1983, 1984 (with Sam Perkins), 1992 (as a part of the 1992 Olympic Team)

College -
-NCAA National Championship University of North Carolina: 1981-82
-3x Atlantic Coast Conference regular season champions: 1981"82, 1982"83, 1983"84 (undefeated)
-1982 ACC Tournament champions
-ACC Rookie of the Year: 1982
-Naismith College Player of the Year: 1984
-John R. Wooden Award: 1984
-Adolph Rupp Trophy: 1984
-USBWA College Player of the Year: 1984
-ACC Athlete of the Year: 1984
-ACC Men's Basketball Player of the Year: 1984
-2x The Sporting News College Player of the Year: 1983, 1984
-2x Consensus First Team All-American: 1983, 1984

Sources:
http://espn.go.com... [1]
http://en.wikipedia.org... [2]
sakskidz

Con

Still me never had that many points in a game
Debate Round No. 3
danielawesome12

Pro

danielawesome12 forfeited this round.
sakskidz

Con

why didnt u respond
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by sakskidz 3 years ago
sakskidz
Mj not me
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