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Is Muhammad Prophesied in the Bible

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Started: 7/27/2016 Category: Religion
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JesusIsGodForever

Con

It is very obvious, he is not prophesied in the Bible. He is not in Deut 18:18 or anything like that Instead the Bible would call him an Anti-Christ because he denies the Father and the Son (1 John 2:22-23).

Muslims tell us Christians to read their Qu'ran in context but then when they read the Bible they completely quote it out of context and twist scripture to make it say what they want to say. So most Muslims (Not all) I come across are being hypocritical. All respect to my Muslim friends.

Also many Muslims pick the parts that fit in to their agenda. Please if you are going to debate me don't quote something out of context. Should be a great debate. But Muhammad is definitely not prophesied in the Bible.
brontoraptor

Pro

Muhammed is the "False Prophet" of Revelation...

Jesus fulfilled 365 Jewish prophecies of their future Messiah.

https://jewsforjesus.org...

Denying that Jesus is the "Son of God" is antichrist by Biblical definition.

(1 John 2:22) "Who is the liar? It is whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a person is the antichrist, denying the Father and the Son."

(1 John 2:23) "No one who denies the Son has the Father."

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About Jesus-

(Revelation 19:16) "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."

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(Revelation 17:14) "These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful."

In the hadith (Sahih-Al-Bukhari Bk 73; Num 224) Mohammed said, "The most awful name in Allah"s sight on the Day of Resurrection, will be (that of) a man calling himself Malik Al-Amlak (the King of kings)."

https://carlosmdiaz.wordpress.com... --

Muhammed and demons-

Here is the story told by Muhammad's wet-nurse, related in Guillaume's translation of Ibn Ishaq, page 72: "

"His father said to me, "I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so take him back to his family before the result appears. -" She asked me what happened and gave me no peace until I told her." When she asked if I feared a demon had possessed him, I replied that I did.""

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"(The Antichrist)"The beast" (Revelation 13:16) "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:"

Muslims are looking for a "beast of the Earth" who will "mark foreheads".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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And when the Word is fulfilled against them (the unjust), we shall produce from the earth a beast to (face) them: He will speak to them, for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs."

"R01;Qur'an, sura 27 (An-Naml), ayat 82

In the Biblical book of Revelation there are 2 "beasts". One is the "False Prophet". He directs his followers to worship the other "beast" (The Antichrist) and renounces Jesus as the "Son of God".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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The "beast (Antichrist) is set up at the Temple Mount proclaiming himself as God. He opposes Christians and has them beheaded.

(Revelation 13:6-8) 6"He opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7"And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations. 8"And those that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb."

(2 Thessalonians 2:4) "He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God."

The Dome of the Rock bares a full fledged antichrist inscription.

"It befitteth not the Majesty of Allah that he should have a son."

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(Link to the full inscription)

http://www.islamic-awareness.org...

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(Revelation 13:17) "..had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

Revelation 13:18 "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of his name; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six."

Walid Shoebat, ex Muslim, tells us 666 in Greek reads "In the name of Allah" in Arabic.

http://youtu.be...

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In the Bible, the followers of the Antichrist bow to an image. Revelation 20:4

Muslims do bow to an image (Video proof)

http://youtu.be... --

Acts 2:17) "'In the last days, your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Muslims everywhere are claiming to see the divine Jesus in dreams and converting.

http://www.lausanneworldpulse.com...
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Antichrist's followers behead Christians-

(Revelation 20:4) "And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God.."

Who's beheading who nowadays? ISIS is beheading Christians in droves.

http://ijr.com...

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(Matthew 24:21) "Then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been nor ever will be again. Christians will soon be gone in the Middle East.

http://mobile.nytimes.com...

*The verses declaring the sequential order of how it will go and now has gone-

Matthew 24:14

2 Thessalonians 2:3

2 Peter 3:3

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Any doubt? Let's go to the OT.

Genesis 17:1 "But my covenant I will establish with Isaac." God chose no covenant with Ishmael's descendents. Why?

Genesis 16:12 "He will be a wild man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him.."

So of course Muslims claim Ishmael as the "Father of Muhammed", the "Father of the Arabs".

www.answering-christianity.com/blog/index.php?topic=1341.0
Debate Round No. 1
JesusIsGodForever

Con

The Bible says in 1 John 2:18 that there is many Anti-Christ's in the world and many to come. A Anti-Christ is a person/religion that denies the father and the son.

Now as we see Muhammad is a false prophet because of the Satanic Verses (Muslims use Deuteronomy 18:8 but later on it exposes Muhammad as a false prophet V. 20) but back to the argument. The Bible says to beware of Anti-Christ(s). It is so simple.

1 John 2:22 ..... He is Antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denies the Son, the same hath not the Father.....

Quran Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

The only begotten son was prophesied in the Old testament

John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

but 5 centuries after the word of God was complete, he went far beyond simple denial of the Son of God, Muhammad even engaged in unvarnished blasphemy against Him:

Quran Surah 19:88 They say: "(Allah) Most Gracious has begotten a son!" 89 Indeed ye have put forth a thing most monstrous!

The only begotten Son of God was prophesied in the Old Testament:

Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

It was confirmed in the New Testament as a fulfilled prophecy, of the Messiah, the only begotten Son of God:

Acts 13:33 God hath fulfilled the same unto us their children, in that he hath raised up Jesus again; as it is also written in the second psalm, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee.

The word of God which gave us the word Antichrist, gives us a what an Antichrist is:

1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is Antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whosoever denies the Son, the same hath not the Father: [(but) he that acknowledges the Son hath the Father also].

Now back to the Bible, the reason Muhammad is not prophesied in the Bible is because he is simply not there. But Muslims will use the same passages that have been proved to not be talking about Muhammad eg, Deut 18:18, Isa 29:11, Song of Solomon 5:16, and many more. Please keep the debate on if Muhammad was prophesied. After a simple read of the context you realize there in NOWHERE in the Bible where there is a prophecy of Muhammad.

Have a Good day, God Bless.

Some links to look at:
http://www.falseprophetmuhammad.com...
https://www.youtube.com...

More sources:
The Holy Bible
The Qu'ran
brontoraptor

Pro

But he WAS prophesied, just not in a good way...

Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders;

He was NOT prophesied in the verses that Con brings up, true, but he WAS prophesied all over the Bible.

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The "beast" is Allah. The false Prophet is Muhammed.

Revelation 20:10 - And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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Muhammed meets all criteria in this verse.

Deuteronomy 18:20 - But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

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Revelation 19:20 - And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought MIRACLES before him, with which he DECEIVED them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Muhammed "miracles"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

Quran 3:54
"Allah is the greatest of deceivers."

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Muslims do bow to an image, the Kaaba stone, which they believe:

1)Fell from Heaven

2)Speaks

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

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Leviticus 26:1
“You shall not make idols for yourselves or erect an image or pillar, and you shall not set up a figured stone in your land to bow down to it, for I am the LORD your God."

The False Prophet of Revelation sets up an image to the beast to be bowed to.

Want to see the stone they bow down to? Here is a link with pictures.

http://www.crystalinks.com...

Excerpt from Islamic article about the stone-

"it beckons to every Muslim of the world to come to its sacred ground."

"Muslims believe that the Stone itself has some supernatural powers. They believe that this stone fell from heaven during the time of Adam and Eve. The Black Stone was once a pure and dazzling white and it has turned black."

"The stone which the builders refused is become the head-stone of the corner. Ishmael was looked on as being rejected by God, or so the Israelites say. Yet it was a progeny of Ishmael that the Last Prophet, the 'head-stone of the corner' was to arise."

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Daniel 8:25
"through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes."

Islam = the "religion of peace"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org...

*The Names of Allah-

Al-Latif = The Subtle One
Al-Mutakabbir = The Greatest
Al-Azim = The Magnificent
Al-Ali = The Highest

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Clues-

2)The beast hates the "prostitute", which is a city, who rides on its back.

Rev 17:5
"The name written on her forehead was a mystery: babylon the great the mother of prostitutes and of the abominations of the earth."

Rev 17:16
"The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire."

So if Allah is the beast, what city that is a part of his system does he hate?

Shaykh Imran Hosein-
"The most monstrous betrayal of Islam ever committed is by those who run that city. (Mecca)This will be the end of Saudi Arabia! Goodbye to bad rubbish!"

(Video of this sermon)

http://youtu.be...

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Jeremiah 49:21
"At the sound of their fall the earth will tremble; their cry will resound to the Red Sea."

Isaiah 21:9
"Fallen, fallen is Babylon."

Revelation 18:2
"'Fallen! Fallen is Babylon."

Isaiah 21:13
"A prophecy against Arabia"

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Mystery Babylon

(Video)

http://youtu.be...

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Rev 17:3
"There I saw a woman sitting on a scarlet beast that was covered with blasphemous names."

17:6
I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God's holy people."

Saudi Arabia was behind 9/11 and the center of Wahhabism the ideology of ISIS.

17:13
They have one purpose and will give their power and authority to the beast.

17:6
The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will burn her with fire.

17:18
The woman you saw is the great city that rules over the rulers of the earth.

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18:3
For all the nations have drunk the maddening wine of her adulteries. The rulers of the earth committed adultery with her, and the merchants of the earth grew rich from her excessive luxuries.

"Sold soul to Saudi Arabia"

https://www.jihadwatch.org...

"Saudi Arabia World's Biggest Hypocrite"

http://www.frontpagemag.com...

"Behind 9/11"

https://www.theguardian.com...

"Behind ISIS"

https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com...

"Fatwah: Destroy all Christian Churches"

https://barnabasfund.org...

Muhammed is mentioned in the Bible. He is the "False Prophet" of Revelation who gets his authority from Satan and gives power to the "beast" for it to be worshipped as God, set up an image to it, and renounced the Son of God.
Debate Round No. 2
JesusIsGodForever

Con

I think, it was prophecies of all the [other] religions to come that denies that Jesus Christ is God or Son of God.

The Bible says that there will be Antichrists. Yeah, we agree on that Muhammad is [a] Antichrist. (Sorry are you a Muslim?)
There are a few religions that deny that Jesus is the son of God. Like, Judaism, Jehovah's Witness, Christadelphian, and of course Islam.

I didn't title the conversation properly. It was supposed to be if Muhammad was prophesied as a true prophet.
brontoraptor

Pro

Con:
"The Bible says that there will be Antichrists. Yeah, we agree on that Muhammad is [a] Antichrist. (Sorry are you a Muslim?)"


I was raised in Islam, my parents passed when I was a young man, and I quit being Muslim because there was no one to apostate against, and I quit believing anything for a while until I studied the Bible and realized the bizzare correlation between Biblical prophecy and Islam.


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Notice, God said "seal the book until the time of the end". This info was right there. Everything I showed you was right there, but people in the West never knew any of it because it was "sealed". Maybe this is the time for it to begin to be revealed.


The Beast of the Earth in Islam-


Ibn 'Abbas, al-Hasan and Qutadah said that "It will speak to them" (tukallimuhum) means that it will address them. Ibn Jarir suggested that it means that the Beast will address them with the words "'for that mankind did not believe with assurance in Our Signs" (al-Naml 27:82 - latter part of the Ayah).

Ibn Jarir reported this from 'Ali and 'Ata' It was reported from Ibn 'Abbas that tukallimuhum means that the Beast will mark each Muslim's forehead, i e, it will write the word "Kafir" on the forehead of the unbeliever.


Kafir = non-Muslim








In Jami' Al-Tirmidhi; English: Vol. 5, Book 44, Hadith 3187; Arabic: Book 47, Hadith 3490, the beast marks "believers" on the foreheads of Muslims and "unbelievers" on the foreheads of non-Muslims.




"The Daabba"(beast of the earth)


www.discoveringislam.org/daabba.htm


Did you know Muslims are looking for a future "messiah" to? Ask yourself, if there were some Antichrist in say a human form, who would follow him without needing any ideological changes? Muslims would. Why? Because their "messiah" has the characteristics of the Biblical Antichrist.


The Mahdi-


The Islamic Messiah who will stand against the King of Kings in the end and will "break the cross".




I view these interpretations differently from some Christians, but this is because I have an inner insite they cannot so easily obtain. They do not know Islam.


I view "the beast" as Allah and the "son of perdition or lawless one" from the Bible as a man and not the same "person". An unholy trinity. Satan, Allah, "Son of Satan". I see it as Satan gave Muhammed authority to give Allah(the beast) authority, and a man (the son of perdition) will come in the times of the end.


I had my eye on one guy for many years and am not sure we are out of the woods yet. Why? Islamic concepts mixed with Christian concepts.


In this thread I discussed that Barack Obama either is trying to immulate the Mahdi/Antichrist or is the Mahdi/Antichrist.




Why? He subdued the nations the Son of perdition subdues in Revelation. The exact nations.


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Here is a debate I did on Obama vs the Antichrist.




In this debate I point out this end times leader's involvement with these 2 distinct nations, Libya and Egypt, which are labeled as Obama's biggest "mistakes", but when an intelligent man makes contradictory decisions he's not a fool. He's up to something else. And "Cush" must be looked up unless you are familiar with the area. It's north Africa, Ethiopia/Sudan. Obama, Ethiopia? Sudan? Yep. I discuss in the debate.


Daniel 11:43)
"He will gain control of Egypt, with the LIBYANS and Cush in submission."


Here are 2 videos you should watch-


"Obama's America 2016"(but made in 2012)




Dinesh D'souza talks about what Obama is up to in this clip.




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In the Bible, this leader


1)Destroys by peace.


Obama received the Nobel Peace Prize before he had even done anything and assured America he would get the soldiers out of the area, and he did. Then he convinced European leaders to take in Islamic migrants in mass in a "humanitarian effort. Now look. Europe is in chaos and the brink of civil war as they have an Islamic immigration crisis.




2)gets power from a foreign god of war.


Daniel 11:39
"with the help of a foreign god"


Some call The Antichrist a "religious schizophrenic".


Muslim?




Jew?




Muslim/Christian?




Mom was Atheist




Hindu? Buhhdist?




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A Christian who covers crosses?




Mocks Christ?




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He's the one...


http://youtu.be...
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And now he is campaigning to head the UN. Is he the antichrist? Eh? Only time will tell, but it's starting to get wierd out there...and Muhammed was prophesied because false prophets were prophesied.

Debate Round No. 3
JesusIsGodForever

Con

Sorry I must of explained it wrong. I was supposed to argue that Muhammad was not prophesied in a good way. Sorry. But It is obvious he is the prophesied Antichrist. He is a false prophet (Check out David Wood).
brontoraptor

Pro

Muhammed the False Prophet-

THE SATANIC VERSES

-"In Islamic eschatology, Muhammed wrote "the satanic verses", a group of Quranic verses that allow intercessory prayers to be made to three Pagan Meccan goddesses: Allat, Uzza, and Manat. The part of the story that deals with the "satanic verses" was based on accounts from the historians al-Waqidi and al-Tabari."

"At its centre is the episode of the so-called satanic verses, in which the prophet first proclaims a revelation in favour of the old polytheistic deities, but later renounces this as an error induced by the Devil. There are also two opponents of the "Messenger": a demonic heathen priestess, Hind bint Utbah, and an irreverent skeptic and satirical poet, Baal."


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DEMON POSESSION AS A CHILD

Here is the story told by Muhammad's wet-nurse, related in Guillaume's translation of Ibn Ishaq, page 72:

His (Muhammad's friend's) father said to me, "I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so take him back to his family before the result appears. ..... She (Muhammad's mother) asked me what happened and gave me no peace until I told her. When she asked if I feared a demon had possessed him, I replied that I did."


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Muhammed claimed he had a "visitor" in the cave in Medina. This visitor was angel-like. It kept "pressing him" and striking fear into him, tormenting him in anguish. He claimed to his wife that it was a demon and became suicidal, deciding to leap from a high cliff to his death. The angelic being stopped him and gave him the revelation in the Quran according to Muhammed himself.

Referencing from Muhammed's Hadith of Bukhari, 9.111:

Narrated 'Aisha:

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Muhammed beheaded 800+ Jews in one single battle.


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Muhammed took a 6 year old bride(Aisha), and molested her at 6 years old through masterbstion. He then actually penetrated her and had sex with her at age 9, according to himself...

https://wikiislam.net...'an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Aisha
Debate Round No. 4
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Posted by JesusIsGodForever 4 months ago
JesusIsGodForever
I was expecting to debate a Muslim, but hey it is what it is.
Posted by thedynasty139 4 months ago
thedynasty139
Meaningless "debate" between two people who agree with each other.
Posted by brontoraptor 4 months ago
brontoraptor
Me too.
Posted by JesusIsGodForever 4 months ago
JesusIsGodForever
I am a Christian.
Posted by brontoraptor 4 months ago
brontoraptor
"The one" Link had a letter missing. Here it is.

http://youtu.be...
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