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RationalMadman
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Is Pedophilia completely wrong?

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RationalMadman
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 11/25/2012 Category: Society
Updated: 4 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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Truth_seeker

Con

Most people hold the argument that pedophilia is a sexual attraction towards children and is therefore harmful to the child's mental and emotional state if intercourse is involved because it cannot consent.

My claim:
Sex cannot harm a child any more than it can harm a man/woman who naively believes their partner loves them, when they only care about sex. Evidence shows that children can be sexual, so it removes the mistaken notion of "innocence." The argument that the child cannot consent because its still a child is invalid since you restrict the child's ability to make sound decisions. Some children are obedient and listen to their parents, but others are disobedient, even when they know their parents wishes. Society tends to keep sexuality away from them. Its ignorance that makes children unable to consent. If you place a child in a "trial and error" scenario where it can get the knowledge to make its own choices on sex and there is no difference than that of an adult, it means that age is irrelevant. What harms the child is the feeling of being treated like an object.
RationalMadman

Pro

Your claim is actually correct. I have no rebuttals to it because what you have typed makes logical sense.

The issue that your entire 'claim' is in no way disprove that paedophilia (Actual English spelling) is completely wrong.

Paedophilia is not wrong because it harms the child more than it could harm an adult being manipulated for sex. Neither is it wrong because have no sex drive to speak of. NOR is it wrong because children cannot consent (Although the law's reasoning behind it largely claims this to be the case).

Paedophilia is wrong because of the fact that a child has not yet hit puberty nor has their mind developed enough to comprehend full consequences of actions.

Puberty is the process by which the body prepares itself to be fully ready for sex.

Nonetheless many girls finish it at 15 and having sex with them is still paedophilia. This is because their brain has not fully developed to process the long term effects and extents of consequences of their actions which an 18 year old aggressor fully would understand while exploiting them (unless mentally retarded, which is why we don't let such individuals get same system of punishment, often sending them to special care homes or asylums).

So based on these two principles, paedophilia is wrong.
Debate Round No. 1
Truth_seeker

Con

There is evidence which shows that girls can hit puberty as young as 11 years old, maybe younger and according the law, anyone under 16 is still a minor. Naturally, they're ready because they're body is able to reproduce, but i agree that they may not be ready to handle the consequences. You say that an 18 year old knows the consequences more than a minor, but that's assuming that he has enough experience. Its wrong if the older person abuses the child, but its not wrong if the child is fully informed on the consequences. We as humans gain experience by practicing, not exactly by growing in age. If a child is able to decide whether to obey their parents or disobey and understands the consequences then it should be able to understand about the consequences of sex.
RationalMadman

Pro

Essentially you have one meagre infantile argument: "If a child is able to decide whether to obey their parents or disobey and understands the consequences then it should be able to understand about the consequences of sex." A child can process punishment, not the reasoning behind the rule. Do you seriously have to be so ridiculous?
Debate Round No. 2
Truth_seeker

Con

There are many people, including adults who do not use logical reasoning, but it in no way shows that children are incapable of it. Science may show proof of your claim, but it is only limited to those who are tested. Iv'e had experiences as a child which are contrary to popular belief. Yes, you can keep giving fishes to a man, but the most accurate way to know if he is able to fish for a lifetime, you teach him. Secondly, I see an inconsistency in how a child is defined and how an adult is defined in the world. There is no set age which tells us how to make a distinction since puberty can start and finish at different times for different people. Last, i disagree with your argument that a child cannot be logical in answering the question why they're punished. Iv'e seen often times that the parent doesn't want to complicate things, so they simply give no reason other than "Because i said so." Like i said, we may only know what some figure of authority tells us.
RationalMadman

Pro

Unless mentally retarded (which is labelled as having an IQ below 70) you would not find me an adult who doesn't use a lot of logical reasoning in day to day life. The adult world is a place of maturity, adults are definitely the superiors of the nation and they know that children and teenagers are the fools who must be reigned in and controlled using punishment. This is why often the PARENTS get arrested for not being harsh enough to their child if the child breaks the law. With great power naturally comes great responsibility, yes this is from Spiderman but definitely is very meaningful and true even in the most corrupt society ever, the people in power have responsibility, in fact power IS responsibility because without it you can't get power (we are not discussing nonsense superpowers here).

Adults vote who is in power, children do not.

Adults, and only adults, decide what laws should be made, children do not.

Adults care for their children's welfare and don't ever want them to be molested, children do not care until it happens and they suddenly feel scared and violated and then say "Yes mister Harrison It's our little secret you are being nice to me and I will eat your sweets and shut up about it, I deserve you spanking me and molesting me and am your slave... Ooh yes it feels so good...." Would you want your little sister or daughter or brother or son to be saying such things in the scenario you most definitely can imagine them? Just think what you are saying!


As a moral nihilist I believe morality is purely subjective and the fact that child sexual abuse causes trauma and huge insecurities when one grows up is subjectively harmful thus morality is being broken. For these reasons Paedophilia is definitely, utterly and completely wrong. If you disagree you are sick in the head, like seriously go get raped then come back and see how it is to be powerless against a sexual aggressor, especially when young and innocent and wishing it would stop but being forced to think it's okay because they give you treats!
Debate Round No. 3
Truth_seeker

Con

Truth_seeker forfeited this round.
RationalMadman

Pro

You absolute idiot to think paedophilia is right.
Debate Round No. 4
Truth_seeker

Con

Truth_seeker forfeited this round.
Debate Round No. 5
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Posted by wrichcirw 4 years ago
wrichcirw
lol, because you say so?
Posted by RationalMadman 4 years ago
RationalMadman
IT IS COMPLETELY WRONG IDIOT! omg
Posted by wrichcirw 4 years ago
wrichcirw
Another twisted example:

Let's say a pedophile fell in love with a 12 year old girl and had sexual relations with her, let's say everything short of penetration. This 12 year old girl subsequently got raped by no fault of her own - let's say some random guy assaulted her on her way home from school.

This pedophile visits the girl (who apparently lacks significant parental supervision), and due to his constant carnal knowledge of this girl, immediately recognizes she has been raped. He takes this girl to a hospital where she is treated for any side effects stemming from the rape. This girl would not have reported her rape if not for this pedophile actions. This pedophile did something "right".

Am I condoning pedophilia? Absolutely not. I believe condoning pedophilia would do much more harm than good. But I must concede it is not "completely wrong".
Posted by wrichcirw 4 years ago
wrichcirw
I actually side with the CON argument.

Wrong = illegal acts
Right = acts that confer a positive benefit to society
Completely wrong = a set of acts that are completely devoid of "right" acts

The easy answer is NO, pedophilia is not COMPLETELY wrong. Pedophilia is a condition in which adults favor sexual relations with children. If a pedophile doesn't ACT on these impulses i.e. have sexual relations with children, he or she has not done anything "wrong". If he or she CHANNELs these impulses towards, say, sexual education of 12-15 year old kids in a constructive manner (i.e., no illegal acts, no intention of illegal acts), he or she has then actually done society a favor, he or she have done some "right acts" thanks to his or her sexual deviation, and is thus not "completely wrong".

Are such cases rare or common? Who knows? But is such a situation completely plausible? Of course. If there is even one documented case of such behavior, or any other sourced instances where a person diagnosed with pedophilia actually did some good for society due to his sexual deviance, then NO, Pedophilia is NOT completely wrong. It may still be morally reprehensible and disgusting to a vast majority of the populace, but NOT completely wrong.

The way the argument is structured, it is extremely easy to win the CON case, IMHO. The way the debate went, I think just using this hypothetical without any sources would be enough to win the CON case.

I tried following the debate. I sensed a lot of contradictions because the the terms were not adequately defined, and a lot of the judgments were subjective.

Cheers, I hope I didn't ruin the debate.
Posted by RationalMadman 4 years ago
RationalMadman
toolpot you retard.
Posted by johnlubba 4 years ago
johnlubba
So you think there is nothing wrong with being a pedophile, or worst yet, nothing wrong with pedophilia, which means a pedophile in practice.

Man do you live on mars. and are you ignorant to the fact of the emotional stress and damage it can cause a child who has been molested.

I guess you are.

Be thankful you are on the other side of your screen.
Posted by toolpot462 4 years ago
toolpot462
I must say that pedophilia is neither wrong nor right. It is a condition.
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Reasons for voting decision: Pro did way better in convincing me with the way he brought the truth about psychological factors in the matter. Also con made it seem it's ok to mislead people into thinking you love for sex, That seems morally wrong. con was a little nicer.
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Reasons for voting decision: Forfeit.