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GreatOratorStalin
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Midnight1131
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Is Putin A Good President?

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Midnight1131
Voting Style: Open Point System: 7 Point
Started: 4/23/2015 Category: People
Updated: 2 years ago Status: Post Voting Period
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GreatOratorStalin

Pro

Pls Accept debate.

Putin is a good president, as he always tries to do what is best for his people. He is not a dicatator, because he was voted in democratically, and he tries to do what is best for Russia. He has taken them out of the depression that Russia was in when Yeltsin was in power.
Midnight1131

Con

I accept.

The Russian Federation could use a president that is more respectful of international boundaries. Vladimir Putin seems like he's trying to destroy Russia's relationship with the West. Examples of this are the Russo-Georgian war, in which Russia decided to back the seperatist states of Abkhazia and South Ossetia. A more recent example of this is the Russian-Ukrainian conflict. Putin had no need to annex Crimea. But he did, and in doing so, he prompted the West to bring down crippling sanctions onto Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org...

Also, there were serious problems with how he was voted in in 2012.

"Golos, Russia's leading independent elections watchdog, earlier said it had registered at least 3,100 reports of violations nationwide.

Golos cited received numerous reports of "carousel voting," in which busloads of voters are driven around to cast ballots multiple times."

http://worldnews.nbcnews.com...

I will leave it at that for this round.

Debate Round No. 1
GreatOratorStalin

Pro

GreatOratorStalin forfeited this round.
Midnight1131

Con

I extend.
Debate Round No. 2
GreatOratorStalin

Pro

Crimea called upon Putin to send in troops to protect them from Ukrainian separatists. As Crimea is it's own government, they had a referendum on this subject, and the majority of the Crimean population voted to join Russia. When surveyed, 82% of Crimeans were happy with being back with Russia, and 18% were not. Ossetia and Abhkazia were part of the Cechnian War, so yeah he would enter there. Just because Russia has different values, and runs in a different way than the West, does not mean he doesn't want any relationships with them. After his apparent "annexation" of Crimea, it was the West who enforced the sanctions, which failed by the way, and the West thinks that by isolating Russia, they can weaken it, but in reality, they're making it stronger.
Midnight1131

Con

My opponent references the Crimea vote, but I'd like to point out that there were quite a few flaws with the referendum vote. The referendum took place while Russian military occupied Crimea, according to international law, this means it's not a legitimate referendum, it's basically a referendum under the force of military power. Also, there was no option on the ballot that said "no." The two options were -

  • Yes, join the Russian federation.

  • Revert back to Crimea's 1992 constitution.


http://canadaam.ctvnews.ca...


Also, according to the Ukrainian constitution, all Ukranians would have to vote on a referendum, not just those living in Crimea, but Putin completely disregarded this. Territory can't be annexed just because the people living there want to recede, that's against international law. If that were the case, then the large amount of cubans living in Miami could have a vote to seperate from the USA. Russia also could've held a referendum to decide the future of Chechnya, but of course, they aren't going to have one. International law states that countries can aquire land in these ways -



  • Discovering uninhabited land

  • Signing a treaty

  • Occupying an area peacefully over a long period of time


It doesn't state that you can just hold a simple referendum with the people living there.


http://www.theguardian.com...



Moving on.



My opponent states that Western sanctions against Russia have failed, and they didn't succeed in weakening the Russian economy, but instead strenghtened it. I will now refute these statements.


Putin admits that Russian sanctions cost his country around 160 Billion USD.


http://news.xinhuanet.com...


Russia's central bank also increased interest rates from 1% to 14%. The bank also predicts the economy to contract by 3.5% or 4%, which is higher than the 3% it predicted in January. In 6 months, the Russian ruble fell 40% against the dollar.


ruble march 13


http://money.cnn.com...



And with that, I toss the ball back to my opponent.


Debate Round No. 3
GreatOratorStalin

Pro

GreatOratorStalin forfeited this round.
Midnight1131

Con

My opponent has forfeited unfortunately. Vote con.
Debate Round No. 4
1 comment has been posted on this debate.
Posted by Kaynes 2 years ago
Kaynes
I would have accepted this one, it is so easy to prove that putin is a mediocre president
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